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To: Springfield Reformer

Your comment:”1) God can do miracles. Duh. Yes, we get that. We have in many cases even experienced such miracles ourselves, so we know God can do anything. But there’s a big gap between knowing what God can do and insisting He did something with zero evidence of said act. Zero evidence.”

Perhaps you just don’t believe in the words of Jesus?
You can believe whatever you want.

I do believe in the teachings of Jesus. Even if some Catholics do not fully believe in the transubstantiation, that is their belief, not the teaching of Jesus and His Catholic Church.

For your information there are Eucharist miracles:
Over a 100 recorded miracles
1730 Siena Italy
1263 German priest
1331 Blano, France
1247 Santarem Portugal
1649 Eten Peru
6th century Palestine as told by St Zosimus
1433 Avigon, France
700 Lanciano, Italy
2008 Bialystok,Poland
2013 Mexico

There are some interesting stories. Including parting of the Jordan River so that a woman could receive the Eucharist, how a church was kept from being flooded. Based on scientific examination of soiled hosts, it was determined to be blood and heart muscle. Type AB positive.

Check out Catholic answers and Free Republic. Some of these stories have been posted on FR.

I can understand that people do not believe and question things, but I also read some convoluted reasoning to support their position.

It does require faith in Jesus Christ and His teachings and the understanding that he delegated to the Catholic Church to Go forth Baptize and teach all nations...


436 posted on 06/22/2015 6:09:25 AM PDT by ADSUM
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To: ADSUM

And Satan comes with all signs and lying wonders and catholics will follow him because they have committed their souls to the sacrilege, ignoring the Sacred.


453 posted on 06/22/2015 7:33:30 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: ADSUM; Springfield Reformer
Check out Catholic answers and Free Republic. Some of these stories have been posted on FR.

Instead of looking to Catholic answers... how about looking to the scriptures themselves ???

472 posted on 06/22/2015 8:28:43 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: ADSUM
For your information there are Eucharist miracles:

So?

There is ZERO proof of 'who' performed them.

I seem to recall that Pharaoh had a lot of 'miracles' in his court...

530 posted on 06/22/2015 12:02:14 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ADSUM
We have plenty of miracle stories of our own. Kind of an interesting dilemma from a logical point of view. Two very different views of the proper worship of God, yet both claiming miracles:

1) If you would discount my miracle stories because you think my beliefs are incorrect, what prevents me from doing the same with yours?

2) But if we both accept each other's miracle stories as valid, then we are effectively saying our doctrinal differences don't matter, and I honestly don't think either of us are willing to say that.

So by force, we are both driven back to where we started, belief in one or another claimed source of divine truth, and not the miracles.

And that is probably as it should be. You know as well as I do (I hope) that in these last days Satan will be permitted to deceive the world with signs and wonders so powerful they could fool the very elect of God, if that sort of thing were possible, which it is not.

If we are to take that warning seriously, both of us, then we cannot begin our argument with the occurrence of miracles.  We must begin with divine revelation.  

Even Jesus did this.  The prophecies concerning Messiah, had they been unfulfilled or fulfilled incorrectly in Jesus, would have invalidated His ministry. The word of God was essential in proving Jesus to be the Son of God.  The miracles were just there for the hard of hearing. Yes, that was a metaphor. :)

So we're back to basics. You have no evidence whatsoever, from the text, that a transformative miracle occurred to the bread and wine at the Last Supper.  All you have is the classic form of a direct metaphor, A is B.  That's it.

Don't you think it is odd that every single physical miracle of Scripture is highlighted as a miracle by the inspired writer, yet in this one case alone, the most amazing physical miracle of all slips past the Gospel writers without so much as a whisper of a mention? As CS Lewis would say, rum thing, that.

Peace,

SR




570 posted on 06/22/2015 4:46:52 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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