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To: ravenwolf; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; ...
Jesus said very plainly that he was giving Peter the keys to the kingdom, but was he also including the other apostles?

Of course, as Peter never is shown exercising any unique power, while that the gospel are the keys or key to the kingdom is manifest as it is by faith in it that one is translated into that kingdom.

The Church was in Jerusalem not Rome, we can see what part Peter played in the Church there, it is very evident that his word was taken as gospel by the leaders in the Church, including James.

It is actually more evident that it was James whose word was taken as gospel by the leaders in the Church, confirmatory of the exhortation and testimony of Peter, and of Paul and Barnabas.

Peter did not supply the final conclusive judgment, and certainly did not speak like a ex cathedra decree, but provided a brief testimony and basic exhortative word of counsel. After which Paul and Barnabas added their testimony, as they also were preaching the Gentile-inclusive gospel of the grace of God.

After which James provided the Scriptural basis for the inclusion of the Gentiles, and basic Scriptural requirements, at which the matter was settled.

James is also listed first before Peter in Gal. 2 among 3 who appeared to be pillars. Peter as the first of a line of supreme infallible heads whom the church looked to is simply absent from Scripture. He is scarcely mentioned in the church epistles, and is married when mentioned in one, and as said,. the second of three in another.

Paul even fails to mention him among the 30 odd acquaintances in Rm. 16, and not once is submission to him in particular enjoined of the churches, or commended, including in the Lord's word to the 7 representative churches in Rv. 2,3.

109 posted on 06/19/2015 6:54:42 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212; RnMomof7

Of course, as Peter never is shown exercising any unique power, while that the gospel are the keys or key to the kingdom is manifest as it is by faith in it that one is translated into that kingdom.


I believe that is something that we could also argue all day about and either argument could be justified, Jesus did not spend three and a half years with his hand picked apostles for nothing.

It is actually more evident that it was James whose word was taken as gospel by the leaders in the Church>>>>>>>>>

I suppose that is another thing we would never stop arguing about as Peter took what Jesus said about the lack of authority among the apostles serious.

But it seems very likely to me that even though the Catholic church holds Peter as the first Pope their doctrine is built around Paul`s teachings rather than Peters.


115 posted on 06/19/2015 7:47:20 PM PDT by ravenwolf (t)
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