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To: CynicalBear
"Put your faith in that Church and if they go down you go down. We put our faith in Christ alone. Any chance of Him going down do you think?"

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"He is the head of the body, the Church..."   Colossians 1:18


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CynicalBear, Jesus Christ is the Head of the Church. When you reject His Church, you reject Jesus Christ Himself.
377 posted on 02/12/2015 7:53:12 PM PST by Heart-Rest ("Our hearts are restless, Lord, until they rest in Thee." - St. Augustine)
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To: Heart-Rest

LOL The twisted definition the Catholic Church has given to ekklesia has nothing to do with what Christ is the head of.


379 posted on 02/12/2015 7:56:39 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Heart-Rest
"He is the head of the body, the Church..."   Colossians 1:18
 
 


It helps to post it ALL...

Colossians 1:18 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
And he is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he may hold the primacy:

Sorry Mary; but you ain't listed at ALL!

408 posted on 02/13/2015 3:09:23 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Heart-Rest; CynicalBear
The choice was one of putting one's faith in "Church" and putting one's faith in Christ.

You had said;

To mimic your own style of reasoning and discourse in your above comment to CB, turning that same around in counter-point, I could ask you, Heart-Rest;

But that wouldn't be entirely fair. Yet for yourself to so casually mix and blur the identities of God Himself, on the one hand, to also on the other hand BE the Church (and by that you do mean the Roman Catholic one, the one which has an earthly & human "pope") isn't at all fair either.

That is what set me off against yourself having played games with CB's other statements, turning them this way and that, saying as much as If this-then that. The same treatment should be applied to your own statements and positions.

The Roman Catholic ecclesiastical community has long imported into the Gospel itself a variety of distortion, in the end having made many among their own ecclesia end up with some blend of often looking to Mary for salvation itself --- which salvation they must then also work for, somehow making themselves holy enough (through works) to be acceptable to God.

One may as well be a Mormon or perhaps better, a Muslim (they talk all nicey-nicey about how special *Mary* was, even as they say God created Christ within her) if it be by works that we are saved.

But go ahead, object and say that the RCC doesn't teach salvation by works ---it will fall on partially-deaf ears --- for I otherwise can see for myself that when the RCC is not teaching "grace" (having been forced to return to official endorsement of salvation by the Grace of God, through the bodily sacrifice of Jesus) due to the significant theological challenges and pressures arising from the Protestant Reformation, then "they" (the RCC) do also teach salvation by works, with that being inexorably mixed in with the teaching of the need and calling towards increasing sanctification being represented much as justification itself --- in overall end result rendering Christ's own sacrifice insufficient propitiation for our own sins, that must be added to in some manner, by our own efforts.

When the Gospel itself is not obscured by presenting salvation be of works which must be done (whatever the works are which the RCC would in any particular era proscribe) then Christ's own sacrifice is turned into a pill, a flat lozenge which only priests in communion with Rome are said have the ability to "confect" (into being the body of Christ, of which it is true, all must partake of).

It is no wonder that many, once they were able to read the Scriptures in their own native languages and thus understand what was written, reacted to what had evolved as being Rome's own (16th century) approach to the thanksgiving memorial remembrance with the rhetorical charge --- "blasphemy!".

It is simply not true, that to oppose the RCC in some way, is to oppose (thus reject) God Himself. The RCC is not God. Please stop broadcasting the confused (and confusing) message that He is.

593 posted on 02/17/2015 7:29:03 AM PST by BlueDragon (the weather is always goldilocks perfect, on freeper island)
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