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12 Claims Every Catholic Should Be Able to Answer; Claim 2
CERC ^ | Deal Hudson

Posted on 01/05/2015 3:27:43 AM PST by NYer

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To: CynicalBear

Can you even read? I mean seriously! You have no ability to understand what I wrote. I said EXACTLY the opposite. Did you even go to school?


21 posted on 01/05/2015 6:41:33 AM PST by defconw (If not now, WHEN?)
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To: ravenwolf
Here's the deal. If we say that no religion but "ours" contains truth, then we are not very much different then the idiots running around calling people infidels.

Now I know this requires a little thinking that is not simply black and white and written in the Bible.

Reason, logic, rational thought. Conservatives all claim to think like this, but they get on religion threads and it all goes out the window. Really very aggravating. Please someone come fourth and debate the issue. Illuminate it better then I can Please!

22 posted on 01/05/2015 6:45:47 AM PST by defconw (If not now, WHEN?)
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To: CynicalBear

There is only One God, One Truth, but many follow their own truth and it may not be the path of God has directed.


23 posted on 01/05/2015 6:47:59 AM PST by ADSUM
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To: defconw; metmom; boatbums

Hey, it’s what your group believes. I’m simply using the standard of those who demand adherence to a group. Your words were because it’s “helpful to know where you are coming from”. I’m beginning to think you don’t like that same idea when it is applied to you.


24 posted on 01/05/2015 7:03:36 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: ADSUM
>>There is only One God, One Truth, but many follow their own truth and it may not be the path of God has directed.<<

So do you believe you serve the same god as the Muslims or not?

25 posted on 01/05/2015 7:05:47 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear
Jesus spoke of His, and our Father. That Father was the God of Abraham, embraced by Jews, Christians, and yes, Muslims. Unless your personal interpretation of the Bible rejects the idea of the entire Old Testament, when Jesus refers to the Father, He is referring to the God of Abraham.

BTW: Muslims embrace the teachings of Mohammed. Jews and Christians do not.

26 posted on 01/05/2015 7:37:46 AM PST by Grateful2God (And Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart.)
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To: defconw
Here's the deal. If we say that no religion but "ours" contains truth, then we are not very much different then the idiots running around calling people infidels.

There's a big difference IMO between "only my religion is the true religion" and "convert to my religion or die".

27 posted on 01/05/2015 7:37:57 AM PST by Sans-Culotte (Psalm 14:1 ~ The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”)
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To: defconw

Here’s the deal. If we say that no religion but “ours” contains truth, then we are not very much different then the idiots running around calling people infidels.


I agree and I can not say that because I have no religion, I believe it could more rightly be understood if we would recognize the difference between faith and religion.


28 posted on 01/05/2015 7:39:14 AM PST by ravenwolf
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To: CynicalBear

You still haven’t answered the question about whether you belong to a faith, or just interpret the Bible on your own.


29 posted on 01/05/2015 7:40:17 AM PST by Grateful2God (And Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart.)
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To: Sans-Culotte

Logically there is no difference. Take the emotion out of it, it’s the same thing.


30 posted on 01/05/2015 7:41:44 AM PST by defconw (If not now, WHEN?)
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To: NYer

The writer uses the word “Christianity” in his premise suggesting that all Christians are of the same belief. That is a false premise. Only one religion leads to God and that is the Catholic religion; all others are absolutely false––including every other “Christian” religion.

While the writer is probably sincere enough in his “Catholic” beliefs, he seems confused by implying that one “Christian” religion is a good as another. That’s Protestantism––at least in the minds of many Protestants. Of course, if he actually believes that one Christian religion is as good as any other Christian religion, then he is far more than confused. Before Vatican II it would be called heretical.

But it’s sadly understandable that this totally mendacious teaching is accepted by otherwise faithful Catholics, since that is what their bishops and priests, educated under the Vatican II doctrines, have now come to believe themselves. Unfortunately, many faithful Catholics have been led astray by this teaching––including, it seems, this sincere though erring writer, Deal Hudson.

One last point about what he says that may be a little off-topic, but worth pointing out to expose this writer’s modernism. He states that “Jesus of Nazareth was God Himself, and that he died and was resurrected — all so that we might be free from our sins.”

Yes, Jesus Christ did die for our sins, but notice his inclusion of the phrase “and was resurrected”. That was never part of Catholic belief before Vatican II. That is the so-called “Pascal Mystery” language that was added with the Novus Ordo Mass. Before the N.O., Catholics were taught that the “Holy Sacrifice of the Mass” (now the “Eucharistic Celebration”) was a re-creation of Calvary, and that His death on the Cross alone sufficed as expiation for our sins. But with the Protestanized version we are now taught to believe that the Crucifixion and death of Our Dear Lord Jesus Christ was not enough––but that it was necessary for Jesus to be resurrected as well.


31 posted on 01/05/2015 7:47:24 AM PST by tomsbartoo (St Pius X watch over us)
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To: defconw
Logically there is no difference. Take the emotion out of it, it’s the same thing.

Well, truth is truth, no matter how it makes us "seem" in comparison to other people. As the article states, Jesus said in John 14:6, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. There is no getting around that. I guess that makes me intolerant. So what? If Jesus truly is God we have to take Him at His word, and not worry if we seem like "other religions".

32 posted on 01/05/2015 7:52:55 AM PST by Sans-Culotte (Psalm 14:1 ~ The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”)
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To: ravenwolf
Precisely. Even within in a particular religion one is going to encounter a varying degree of understanding and faithfulness.

By way of example, Joe Biden and I are both Baptized persons. We have both been Baptized in the Trinitarian formula, we have both had our First Communion, we both have been Confirmed. We both profess the belief in the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ. We both profess the same creed etc. Now Did Joe stop learning his faith at the age of 14-17, whatever age his Confirmation occurred? So many do. They say OK, I got it! I believe it and that's that. They have the 8th, 9th, 10th grade understanding of their faith and they are content with it.

Then there are others such as myself, who have driven certain religious and priests crazy with questions, questions, questions. Simple faith v. seeking faith. Neither is considered in the Catholic sense to be superior to the other. A person of simple faith can have a heart that is so in tune with God, that is would blow your sox's off, were they to share. They don't share because they simply live what they know and it's perfectly fine. Then there are the learned, they are so knowledgeable that it may take all their time and they don't have the inner spiritual life they might like to have because they spend all their time reading and thinking.

Then there is within all that, various levels. We are all on a journey, a pilgrimage here on this earth and we are awaiting the day when after our physical death we go to meet the Lord.

So yes busybodies. Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi are my brother and sister in Christ. If I actually knew them I would try to help them understand the disorder in their thinking. But I do not.

BTW, Catholic Democrats often think that we should be more concerned with the living as opposed to the unborn and they think we are disordered when we don't. That's just the way it is.

33 posted on 01/05/2015 8:01:57 AM PST by defconw (If not now, WHEN?)
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To: Grateful2God

If you can’t recognize the difference between the god the Muslims serve and the God of scripture I pity you. If on the other hand you are somehow attempting to comply with Catholic teaching without thought I would suggest some serious reflection.


34 posted on 01/05/2015 8:07:28 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Grateful2God
>>You still haven’t answered the question about whether you belong to a faith<<

Sure I have. Many times.

35 posted on 01/05/2015 8:09:02 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Sans-Culotte
I don't think it makes you intolerant. I think what it makes you is a God boxer. I mean what you have stated is what I believe, but I also know that I am not God. So if God decides that he wants these nonbelievers then He will have them.

Time was when my Irish ancestors were worshiping trees. I do wonder about them. Maybe you don't. That's OK, but I do think that we sit on our pedestals with the advantage of having Bibles, and the ability to read them and we sit in judgment of those who have not had the advantages we have had and we tell God what to do.

36 posted on 01/05/2015 8:11:20 AM PST by defconw (If not now, WHEN?)
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To: Grateful2God

If we applied a certain standard and you know which one I mean, only Catholics will be in heaven with God. I am not sure they want to go down that road.


37 posted on 01/05/2015 8:16:35 AM PST by defconw (If not now, WHEN?)
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To: tomsbartoo

“But with the Protestanized version we are now taught to believe that the Crucifixion and death of Our Dear Lord Jesus Christ was not enough––but that it was necessary for Jesus to be resurrected as well.”

“Protestantized” does not work here as Scripture makes it clear Resurrection was essential, so Jesus would “ever live” to make intercession for us. He is a “priest forever, after the order of Melchizedek”. He went into the Most Holy Place and into Heaven itself. Only a resurrected Jesus could do that.

Of course, this destroys any idea of continuing a sacrifice such as the Mass represents (assuming I understand it correctly) since Jesus died ONCE FOR ALL. It is finished. Levitical priesthood over. No other priesthood needed now as we have been personally granted boldness and access.

Many do not want it.


38 posted on 01/05/2015 8:21:58 AM PST by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: WVKayaker
It is just more Spam from the cult. In it's entirety,

You need to tell the RM the identity of the person that is forcing you to red and respond. Last Time I checked this was still a free country.

39 posted on 01/05/2015 8:52:34 AM PST by verga
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To: WVKayaker
You need to tell the RM the identity of the person that is forcing you to red read and respond
40 posted on 01/05/2015 8:57:20 AM PST by verga
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