Posted on 11/11/2014 8:54:13 AM PST by BlatherNaut
(Rome) The Pontifical Council for Culture is preparing an "opening" towards women priests? Pablo d'Ors, appointed papal Consultor of the Council for Culture since July, 1st, is convinced of a realignment. "While orthodox Church representatives are being kicked out from the Vatican, heretics are being brought in," said Messa in Latino about the Spanish priest, novelist and "Zen Buddhist" and his interview in the daily newspaper La Repubblica . The Pontifical Council for Cultural, headed by Cardinal Gianfranco Ravasi, seems to deal not only with culture and sports, but also with the Doctrine of the Faith, and ground filled with land mines. Anyway, if you can believe the words of the Spanish Claretian priest, Pablo d'Ors. In an interview with La Repubblica on 5 November, he said that for "the next General Assembly" of the Pontifical Council for Culture is for common ground, which will be convened in 2015 on the topic of "female culture", an "opening" in the direction of women priests. He will attend and is "absolutely sure". Pablo d'Ors added: "And I am not alone." Last July 1, Pope Francis appointed Pablo d'Ors as Consultor of the Pontifical Council for Culture .
Ecclesiastical Cultural Understanding only B-Class: No Longer an Alternative to the World, but "Dialogue" with the World
F d'Ors describes himself as "erotic, mystical and weird". His life had been "full of loving relationships, reading and travel, also reckless". This helped him in his appeal that he discovered at the age of 27. "Knowing human love, divine love helps to better understand" said the Claretian. "Could be. If indeed so many chaste young men and young women also apparently have dedicated themselves in the course of Church history with all their souls and with all their bodies God?" Said Messa in Latina about that.
The Church's understanding of culture is especially "inappropriate" toda for Father d'Ors. Compared to the high culture, this understanding is only B-Class. It was necessary to adjust, stop trying to be an "alternative", but a Christianity in "dialogue" with the living world.
Priests are better living with a woman: "The time has come"
He has written several novels and is considered the "most German" among living Spanish writers. In one of his novels, the main character, a Slovak woman, goes to bed with all the great writers of the 20th century. Pablo d'Ors said in an interview, a priest lives better with a woman at his side. Why? "Because the time is now ripe." But that was only his "personal opinion".
Realignment of the Church Planned in Terms of Women Priests?
The Pontifical Council for Culture "can't talk about it". There you will, however, talk about women priests. "I think there will be a realignment at the next General Assembly"
He has also written some non-fiction books, including his most successful book Biografía del silencio (Biography of Silence), in which he says, each "should create a work of art". In line with this premise seems to be his default setting: "An important criterion to measure the spiritual vitality of a person is their willingness to change. To resist life is a sin, because life is in constant development ," according to the ancient Greek aphorism Panta Rhei .
To be allow himself to be "swept away by life" - "If I were not a Christian, I would be a Buddhist"
Pablo d'Ors and the art to "aggiornare"
Pablo d'Ors also advocates a "new form" of asceticism. It was outdated to build life on a solid rock, because on the quicksand you can admirably live an "authentic spiritual vitality". Rain, raging rivers, winds and storms are not a problem because one must allow himself to be "swept away by life".
To this end, the new Consultor of the Pontifical Council for Culture has offered courses for years. To participate there is no spiritual formation and religious affiliation necessary, although the coursework is "primarily" of the Christian tradition and "secondarily" derived from Zen Buddhism. Predictably d'Ors said in an earlier interview: "If I were not a Christian, I would be a Buddhist."
To the La Repubblica question, what's the best way for a man to die, d'Ors said: "By attentiveness and completion you forget yourself, which is the hardest part".
Nuova Bussola Quotidiana writes: "A few days ago I visited my old mountain parish. The pastor has not been around for a few years now. He ascended into the sky. He literally sacrificed himself every day, to visit the sick and dying and to make them human, but especially the sacramental assistance and consolation. Because it was his wish that save their souls."
How Did You Get in Contact with Pope Francis?
The question can not be answered. Pablo d'Ors, currently heads a theater workshop at the University of Madrid, offers no clues. La Repubblica asked how he came to know Pope Francis, and he only said: "He probably will have asked: Who is the most insignificant priest from Madrid?" Pablo d'Ors, grandson of the famous Spanish art critic Eugeni d'Ors, is a student of the German Benedictine Father Elmar Salmann. In 1991 he was ordained a priest and sent by his order, the Claretians, to evangelize Honduras. After his return to Spain, he was university chaplain and specialized in literary workshops with a focus on dramaturgy and theological aesthetics in Spain and Argentina.
He learned through his contacts in Germany know the Jesuit Franz Jalics and established the association Amigos del Desierto (Friends of the desert), which is also the title of a novel by d'Ors. The desert represents infinity. The novel portrays a wandering between Christian mysticism and Zen Buddhism.
Because of the arrest of Father Jalics and other Jesuits during the military dictatorship in Argentina, the Order had reservations about Jorge Mario Bergoglio. Father Jalics forgave the Argentine cardinal after his election as Pope. He and the other Jesuits were not denounced by him, as was incorrectly stated. On October 5, 2013, Father Jalics was received by Pope Francis in Santa Marta. Nothing became known about the content of the meeting.
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"Last July 1, Pope Francis appointed Pablo d'Ors as Consultor of the Pontifical Council for Culture ."
"Father Pablo d'Ors describes himself as "erotic, mystical and weird"."
Ping
When the priest shortage finally gets bad enough to where they can no longer pass the collection basket, they will start ordaining women priests.
And married priests. And possibly chimpanzees of above-average intellect.
They would certainly go back to married priests. They will never ordain women as priests.
There is nothing in the Bible which requires celibacy as a requirement for service in the priesthood. As a matter of fact, priests were married men in the Bible. Even the current Pope has stated that the celibacy requirement was instituted hundreds of year after the founding of the Church. The Pope has also said the policy is a discipline, not a dogma or a doctrine, and therefore subject to change.
Yes, I know that. That is why i stated that they would may go BACK to married priests. They will never ordain women as priests. This has been stated over and over.
Ah, the primate Primate...
Exactly. Going BACK to married priests, because most priests and bishops were married men before the Middle Ages.
In the Orthdox church, bishops are always selected from among the celibate clergy.,
“It was necessary to adjust, stop trying to be an “alternative”, but a Christianity in “dialogue” with the living world.”
That doesn’t sound much like anything that Jesus said about Christians and the world.
And they will never have Mary as Co-redeemer (Christ optional) ...
No, wait...
The homosexuals who are priests and bishops are against married men(with women) in the priesthood according to my former pastor.
Never.
Perfect, perpetual continence for priests and deacons goes WAY back. The current practice of non-continence for deacons is an abuse, and will eventually be stopped.
The non-continence of married deacons, and the resulting widespread belief that continence for priests is only a discipline, has thrown a gigantic monkey wrench in the Church’s understanding of the Eucharist.
“Pontifical Council for Culture”?
And sports?
There’s a little bureaucratic fiefdom, along with dozens of others, that could be suppressed without doing any harm—and would save the Vatican millions.
lol.
so wrong and funny.
Nonsense.
Mandatory clerical celibacy is something which was imposed around the time of the Middle Ages.
There is absolutely NOTHING in the Bible requiring such a draconian policy.
The policy was implemented as a reform to fight rampant corruption in the Church, primarily nepotism and simony.
Here is a quote from Wikipedia.com:
” The tenth century is claimed to be the high point of clerical marriage in the Latin Communion (western Catholic Church). Most rural priests were married and many urban clergy and bishops had wives and children.”
Under subject heading: Clerical Celibacy
"Mandatory"? "Draconian"? Those are peculiar words to apply to something that is 100% voluntary.
The real question is why the need for such a policy to begin with. The current Pope is on record stating that celibacy:
1) Was instituted many centuries after the founding of the Church.
2) Is regarded as a discipline, not a dogma or a doctrine etched into stone.
3) Subject to change.
4) Not universally applied.
I agree.
It is intimately connected with the nature of the Eucharist.
It goes back much farther than most people—including the Pope, apparently—realize.
http://www.canonlaw.info/a_deacons.htm
http://canonlawblog.wordpress.com/2012/11/20/clergy-continence-and-custom/
I have always found it fascinating how exercised so many people can get against a practice that: a) is 100% voluntary for those who do practice it; b) has absolutely no effect on anyone else.
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