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Why The Gays Are Winning ^ | May 20, 2014 | Fr. Dwight Longenecker

Posted on 05/21/2014 3:34:37 PM PDT by NKP_Vet

Those who believe in traditional marriage had better get used to it. We’ve lost this battle in the culture wars. The homosexualists have succeeded in framing their situation as a struggle. Increasingly their gay pride will be seen as a struggle for equal rights and those who oppose their proclivities will be branded as racists and once that is accomplished the use of force against those who stand for marriage will begin.

If you want to know why the gays are winning read Robert R. Reilly’s excellent new book Making Gay Okay: How Rationalizing Homosexual Behavior Is Changing Everything. Brad Miner has an excellent review of the book here. I can’t add much to Brad’s review. He’s written what I would have written. The best thing about the book is that Reilly explains what’s happening within the gay agenda with an objective, critical stance. He simply reports what’s going on. Just the facts ma’am. The most brilliant thing is that he does so without reference to the Catholic faith, the Bible or any other religious connection. This makes his argument all the stronger for he allows the facts to speak for themselves and never has to pose or get preachy.

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TOPICS: Current Events; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics; Theology
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; sin
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To: scripter

Actually you had some interesting points. Cannibalism, for example. Crabs, frogs, some insects will tend to eat each other. Not humans as a general rule, but when your plane crashes in the Alps or your cruise ship sinks leaving you in a lifeboat...

101 posted on 05/21/2014 7:19:26 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: NKP_Vet

Calling evil good doesn’t make it right. I, personally, will never “celebrate” faggotry. And winning the legal battle by fear tactics doesn’t win hearts and minds - these people are so drunk on power and influence that they are overreaching daily and it will come back to bite them. We need to expose constantly the unnatural harm to the body caused by poop sex, and the huge toll in disease and death and keep reminding people why our Creator said not to do this.

102 posted on 05/21/2014 7:33:38 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: scripter

The whole “born that way” argument is a distraction.

Sodomy is a sin. It is a sin whether committed by a person who was born with a desire to commit it, by a “homosexual” who discovered his “homosexuality” at the age of 20, or by a “heterosexual.”

As long as the focus is on categories of people, there will be an “oppressed” group and an “oppressor” group. That is, the Marxist program will prevail.

Our society, on the whole, accepts the sins of (easy) divorce, fornication, adultery, masturbation, and contraception (which is a species of sodomy). It is absurd for those who accept all these sins to turn to those who want to commit sodomy and declare: “No!”

It is because their position is absurd that “traditionalists’ are losing to the revolutionaries.

103 posted on 05/21/2014 7:38:04 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Mr Rogers
They are a symptom, not the problem.

They are just one more point on the slippery slope.

The slope more or less began with the acceptance of contraception in most faiths, first for the laity, then for the clergy.

The slope continued with the acceptance of divorce and remarriage after divorce.

The slope accelerated with widespread acceptance of abortion as a means of birth control.

Farther down the slope we will encounter (in no particular order) infanticide, active euthanasia, plural "marriage", and child marriage.

104 posted on 05/21/2014 8:37:34 PM PDT by lightman (O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
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To: Mr Rogers
"They are a symptom, not the problem."

You got it. Romans spells out cause and effect very well and queers running amok is one of the effects, not the cause.

105 posted on 05/21/2014 8:43:58 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Arthur McGowan
The whole “born that way” argument is a distraction.

I disagree and think attacking the argument from this angle demonstrates how weak their "I was born this way" argument really is. There is still zero scientific evidence to support the argument they've used for decades.

106 posted on 05/21/2014 8:51:28 PM PDT by scripter
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To: Mr Rogers
They are winning because the large majority of Americans have turned their backs on God. They are a symptom, not the problem.


107 posted on 05/21/2014 9:08:10 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Telepathic Intruder
Say, for example, we return control of the planet back to nature, as the nice progressives believe.

We are part of nature. Bottom line -- a beaver's dam, a bird's nest, and a skyscraper are one as natural as the next.

108 posted on 05/21/2014 10:40:39 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Chickensoup

You said it.

109 posted on 05/21/2014 10:45:35 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Finny

That’s a hornets’ nest of issues. Locally, wolves can wipe out deer, falcons can wipe out mice. It’s all very natural. But we can’t build a pipeline because caribou might become overstressed and commit suicide?

110 posted on 05/21/2014 10:58:34 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: Finny

I absolutely agree!

But many, many, many Americans are contributing to this process by voting for ‘free’ stuff. 35.4% of US now accept one or more means tested Federal benefits. Large numbers of people want to ‘stick it to’ Big Oil or Big Pharma through punitive taxation. People want bailouts on mortgages, school loans, etc. - monies that were loaned to them in good faith.
All this contributes to destructive, envy-based politics.

Clean up the process, always fight against corruption, NEVER GIVE UP!

But recognize that a lot of the reason we have corrupt elected officials is because those voting are also corrupt.
And ONLY God can change the heart of a nation.

111 posted on 05/22/2014 5:52:33 AM PDT by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: NKP_Vet; FamiliarFace
All according to the apostles of Sodom

Strategies and psychological tactics

Homosexual activists are often seen as engaging in specious argumentation, such as attempts to controvert the consistent teaching of the Bible on homosexual relations (see homosexuality and biblical interpretation), and using false analogies, in order to gain acceptance of homosexuality. One common argument used by homosexual activists seeks to compare their quest for equal rights to that of others.[32] This argument is countered by the observation that blacks were able to peacefully argue that mankind should not be "judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character"[33], as the former yields no certain moral distinction. In contrast, homosexual activists seek acceptance of an immoral practice(s), and in addition, engage in certain coercive and manipulative means to do so. This includes the use of demonstrative protests, which appear to be designed to censure and intimidate those who oppose them in any way.[34][35][36][37][38][39][40][41][42][43][44] In addition, one pro-homosexual commentator recently took the homosexual community to task for being racist in their practice of homosexuality.[45] Another strategy used by supporters of the homosexual agenda is to publicly deny that such an agenda exists.[46]

While not all homosexuals agree with the use of deceptive psychological tactics, these have been promoted by leading homosexual activists. The aforementioned book, After the Ball, is widely regarded as the handbook for the gay agenda, in which two Harvard-trained (homosexual) psychologists [47] Marshall Kirk (1957 - 2005) and Hunter Madsen (pen name Erastes Pill, who was also schooled in social marketing) advocated avoiding portraying gays as aggressive challengers, but as victims instead, while making all those who opposed them to be evil persecutors. As a means of the latter, they promoted jamming, in which Christians, traditionalists, or anyone else who opposes the gay agenda are publicly smeared. Their strategy was based on the premise that, "In any campaign to win over the public, gays must be portrayed as victims in need of protection so that straights will be inclined by reflex to adopt the role of protector. The purpose of victim imagery is to make straight people feel very uncomfortable."

"Jamming" homo-hatred (disagreement with homosexual behaviors) was to be done by linking it to Nazi horror, advised Kirk and Madsen. Associate all who oppose homosexuality with images of Klansmen demanding that gays be slaughtered, hysterical backwoods preachers, menacing punks, and a tour of Nazi concentration camps where homosexuals were tortured and gassed. Thus, "propagandistic advertisement can depict homophobic and homohating bigots as crude loudmouths..."[48][49]

Dr. R. Albert Mohler Jr., president of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, writes,

There can be no doubt that Christianity represents the greatest obstacle to the normalization of homosexual behavior. It cannot be otherwise, because of the clear biblical teachings concerning the inherent sinfulness of homosexuality in all forms, and the normativity of heterosexual marriage. In order to counter this obstacle, Kirk and Madsen advised gays to "use talk to muddy the moral waters, that is, to undercut the rationalizations that 'justify' religious bigotry and to jam some of its psychic rewards." How can this be done? "This entails publicizing support by moderate churches and raising serious theological objections to conservative biblical teachings." [The latter of which attempts homosexuality and biblical interpretation examine and expose.][50]

Kirk and Madsen's open admission of their deceptive tactics is noted as most revealing: [O]ur effect is achieved without reference to facts, logic, or proof. "...the person's beliefs can be altered whether he is conscious of the attack or not"[51] “The campaign we outline in this book, though complex, depends centrally upon a program of unabashed propaganda, firmly grounded in long-established principles of psychology and advertising.”[52][53]

Similarly, author Robert Bauman additionally records: "It makes no difference that the ads are lies... because were using them to ethically good effect, to counter negative stereotypes that are every bit as much lies, and far more wicked ones."[54]

The need for Kirk and Madsen to engage in such manipulation may be seen as being due to their sober realization of the nature of the homosexual lifestyle.

“In short, the gay lifestyle - if such a chaos can, after all, legitimately be called a lifestyle - it just doesn’t work: it doesn’t serve the two functions for which all social framework evolve: to constrain people’s natural impulses to behave badly and to meet their natural needs. While it’s impossible to provide an exhaustive analytic list of all the root causes and aggravants of this failure, we can asseverate at least some of the major causes. Many have been dissected, above, as elements of the Ten Misbehaviors; it only remains to discuss the failure of the gay community to provide a viable alternative to the heterosexual family.”[55]

David Kupelian, author of The Marketing of Evil, describes Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen, stating,

Kirk and Madsen were not the kind of drooling activists that would burst into churches and throw condoms in the air. They were smart guys – very smart. Kirk, a Harvard-educated researcher in neuropsychiatry, work with the Johns Hopkins Study of Mathematically Precocious Youth and designed aptitude tests for adults with 200+ IQs. Madsen, with a doctorate in politics from Harvard, was an expert on public persuasion tactics and social marketing.[56]

Marshall Kirk died in 2005 at the age of 47.[57] The cause of death has not been publicly revealed.

Often cited as an early example of such tactics was the role of homosexual activists in persuading the American Psychiatric Association (APA) to remove homosexuality as a mental disorder from its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual Of Mental Disorders (DSM-II). Dr. Ronald Bayer, though being himself a pro-homosexual psychiatrist, described this removal as being the result of power politics, threats, and intimidation, rather than any new scientific discoveries.[58] In so doing, like slavery before it, the homosexual agenda is seen to threaten basic freedoms, principally the First Amendment.[59]

The charge of homophobia has also been increasingly evidenced as being part of a means of intimidation used in promoting the homosexual agenda. Due to what homophobia has been made to denote, that of being a repressed homosexual, or possessing an irrational fear of being approached by homosexuals, or of being a bigot persecuting victims, the widespread use of the term "homophobic" attaches a powerful stigma to anyone who may even conscientiously oppose the practice of homosexuality, thus silencing many who might otherwise object to it.[60]

In relation to such oppression, psychologist Nicholas Cummings, former president of the American Psychological Association (APA), observed, "Homophobia as intimidation is one of the most pervasive techniques used to silence anyone who would disagree with the gay activist agenda." As an example of such fear within the APA, in addressing 100 fellow professionals Cummings related that while writing "Destructive Trends in Mental Health," with psychologist Rogers Wright, a number of fellow psychologists were invited to participate. However, these flatly turned them down, as they feared loss of tenure, loss of promotion, and other forms of professional retaliation. "We were bombarded by horror stories," Dr. Cummings said. "Their greatest fear was of the gay lobby, which is very strong in the APA.[61]

Noted homosexual activist and pornographer Clinton Fein, in his article, The Gay Agenda stated: "Homophobic inclinations alone, even without any actions, should be criminal and punishable to the full extent of the law."

Erik Holland, author of The Nature of Homosexuality, perceives that homosexuals have become so reckless in labeling others homophobic that "anyone who questions their labeling someone [is] a homophobe himself. Even quoting factual statistics about the connection between homosexuality and AIDS is allegedly homophobic." In addition, according to pro-homosexual author Vernon A. Wall, "even acceptance of homosexuality can be seen as a form of homophobia, because to talk about the acceptance of homosexuality is to imply that there is something about homosexuality that needs acceptance."[62]

It may be speculated that if the liberal use of the term homophobia is not primarily a psychological tactic, then it indicates a psychological condition on the part of those who use it in which they imagine that those who oppose them are fearful of them, or of being one.

112 posted on 05/22/2014 6:56:06 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: PGR88
As the philosopher Alexander Fraser said: “From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to complacency; From complacency to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.” We are at apathy and dependence from long-term “abundance.”

Profound (but i disagree with your application here) , although WP says,

There is no reliable record of Alexander Tytler's having written any part of the text.[10] In fact, it actually comprises two parts which didn't begin to appear together until the 1970s. The first paragraph's earliest known appearance[11] is in an op-ed piece by Elmer T. Peterson in the December 9, 1951 The Daily Oklahoman, which attributed it to Tytler:

Two centuries ago, a somewhat obscure Scotsman named Tytler made this profound observation: "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy."[12]

The list beginning "From bondage to spiritual faith" is commonly known as the "Tytler Cycle" or the "Fatal Sequence". Its first known appearance is in a 1943 speech "Industrial Management in a Republic"[13] by H. W. Prentis, president of the Armstrong Cork Company and former president of the National Association of Manufacturers, and appears to be original to him. It is also published in the text of an address by Prentis (entitled "The Cult of Competency") delivered at the February 1943 convocation of the General Alumni Society of the University of Pennsylvania.[14]

113 posted on 05/22/2014 7:08:13 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: scripter
Animals, among other 'criminal' activities:

114 posted on 05/22/2014 7:10:05 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Telepathic Intruder
You can win a battle but still lose the war. Do they think they can change 3 billion years of evolution telling us instinctively that homosexuality is unnatural? That’s it’s wrong for a vast number of reasons? That it’s nowhere to be found in the DNA for all the silly stupid claims they make that they’re “born that way”?

It isn't "3 billion years of evolution" that told us homosexuality is wrong.

Without G-d, objective right and wrong do not, and cannot, exist.

115 posted on 05/22/2014 7:11:08 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Our true goal should be evangelism, in bringing people to conversion entirely, going hand in hand with our war against abortion and homosexuality. Without the Holy Spirit, these people cannot even comprehend anything, and so would never side with us to begin with.

It is the overall rejection of the Scripture as the supreme authoritative source of spiritual truth and morality that allowed the pervasive and perverted propaganda of sodomy to be propagated.

If religious books are not widely circulated among the masses in this country, I do not know what is going to become of us as a nation. If truth be not diffused, error will be;

If God and His Word are not known and received, the devil and his works will gain the ascendancy; If the evangelical volume does not reach every hamlet, the pages of a corrupt and licentious literature will;

If the power of the Gospel is not felt throughout the length and breadth of the land, anarchy and misrule, degradation and misery, corruption and darkness will reign without mitigation or end." (Daniel Webster, as referenced by Tryon Edwards, “A Dictionary of Thoughts: Being a Cyclopedia of Laconic Quotations from the Best Authors of the World, Both Ancient and Modern ,“1908. p. 49 That is the earliest source I have found is from a compilation of quotes first published in 1908, and without details of when and where it was said.)

Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. (Psalms 2:1-3)

Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. (Psalms 2:1-3)

The devil and this sodomite activists know the Scriptures are their primary obstacle, and thus have expended an inordinate amount of effect attempting to negate its condemnation of sodomy and to find sanction for the same, examined and much refuted here by the grace of God.

Lacking regeneration by which a souls is controlled from within, and is reflected in who he elected to control that which is without, man looks to a governmental power to define and regulate morality, which to a degree, is necessary and right, (Rm. 13:1-7) but unlike Scripture, than can change, and in general "if a ruler hearken to lies, all his servants are wicked." (Proverbs 29:12)

But there is room at the cross for who will come to God out of a broken heart and contrite spirit and come and believe and thus cleave to Christ to save them by His blood expense and credit, as damned+destitute sinners. Thanks be to God

116 posted on 05/22/2014 7:30:14 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: NKP_Vet

I’ve said for a while that we’ll lose this battle rather handily. In the end, it comes down to a religious conviction that marriage is between a man and a woman. If the other side and their supporters don’t give a damn about that, then we’re sunk.

117 posted on 05/22/2014 7:32:51 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (
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To: NKP_Vet

Because most people don’t value marriage anymore anyhow...

Look at illegitimacy rates


Feminism....the big one

Decline of faith

It will be our end as we knew it

Rebirth after the collapse maybe

It won’t be pretty

118 posted on 05/22/2014 7:33:25 AM PDT by wardaddy (we will not take back our way of life through peaceful means.....i have 5 kids....i fear for them)
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To: PapaNew


But many idiots here support that as do most conservative public people

119 posted on 05/22/2014 7:34:43 AM PDT by wardaddy (we will not take back our way of life through peaceful means.....i have 5 kids....i fear for them)
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To: wardaddy
It's amazing how easily it seems the Left can divert and deceive the Right. It often seems like the Left is able to get the Right to do what it wants without the Right even knowing about it. I think it's becasue Satan is really the driver of the Left and the Prince of Darkness is much smarter than man. The only man who was able to defeat Satan was Jesus Christ 2000 years ago and today Jesus Christ in us can defeat Satan (1 John 4:4).

So the answer is ultimately a spiritual one because IMO the battle between the Left and the Right is ultimately a spiritual battle. IMO, all of these battles - political, economic, social - are ultimately tied to this underlying spiritual battle.

Although the good guys prevailed in times past, today, the Left seems to be winning because too many on the Right are spiritually immature. Until enough people grow up spiritually and embrace the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ, many on the Right and the Right itself will be as children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive (Eph 4:14), and the Left will continue to have its way in its march towards oblivion.

It's OK because this is exactly what God has told us in the Bible would happen in these last days. But if we trust in Him, He will protect us and prosper us and we will be lights in a dark world (Isaiah 60:1-2) and can help as many as we can.

120 posted on 05/22/2014 8:39:23 AM PDT by PapaNew
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