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To: af_vet_1981
So you admit Mary is in heaven, interesting. And that is what troubles you, for if you asked someone in your Protestant church to pray for you, you would be comfortable.

Catholics commonly pray to both angels and departed saints in Heaven, yet in all of Scripture with its over 200 prayers the Holy Spirit does not provide even one single prayer or offering from a soul on earth to a created being in Heaven — except by pagans (1Kg. 18:26; Jer. 44:17-19), nor does it teach souls to address anyone else in prayer to Heaven but the Lord.

And instead, Christ is set forth by the Holy Spirit as the only mediator between man and God, between the earthly and heavenly realm, (1Tim. 2:5) and who is the only mediator that we are exhorted to called upon, (Rm. 10:13; 1Cor. 1:2) as the only intercessor who is said to ever live to make intercession for us, (Heb. 7:25) as the uniquely qualified high priest who is uniquely declared to be able to “be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.” (Hebrews 4:15) “For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.” (Hebrews 2:18)

The Lord did not teach us to pray saying, “Our Mother who art in Heaven, hallowed be thy name,” but “Our Father...” (Mt. 6:9) The Holy Spirit does not cry “Mama, mama,” but Abba, Father, (Gal. 4:6) Paul did not say that “I bow my knees unto the Mother of our Lord Jesus Christ” but “the Father...” (Eph. 3:14)

The complete conspicuous absence of any positive examples for what is a common practice of Catholics is enough to disallow as being doctrine, in addition to the contrary teaching in what believers are exampled as doing and taught to do.

Lacking actual Scriptural support, RCs must resort to specious extrapolation from Scripture in seeking to support prayer to departed saints (PTDS) and angels. More here .

Time for bed.

254 posted on 04/06/2014 9:13:11 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212
The Lord did not teach us to pray saying, “Our Mother who art in Heaven, hallowed be thy name,” but “Our Father...” (Mt. 6:9) The Holy Spirit does not cry “Mama, mama,” but Abba, Father, (Gal. 4:6) Paul did not say that “I bow my knees unto the Mother of our Lord Jesus Christ” but “the Father...” (Eph. 3:14)

True, which churches pray the Our Father as Jesus taught ? Did Jesus teach the disciples to pray to him ? Good night, I really can't read your mind, but trying to comprehend your comnents I think you have a good one.

257 posted on 04/06/2014 9:31:19 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: daniel1212
Catholics commonly pray to both angels and departed saints in Heaven, yet in all of Scripture with its over 200 prayers the Holy Spirit does not provide even one single prayer or offering from a soul on earth to a created being in Heaven — except by pagans (1Kg. 18:26; Jer. 44:17-19), nor does it teach souls to address anyone else in prayer to Heaven but the Lord.

Yes, I was confident I understood your objection; you confirmed it here.

258 posted on 04/06/2014 9:33:57 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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