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Posted on 04/05/2014 5:57:23 AM PDT by Gamecock
Right. That is because my quote was about the saints and not about you. All Pauline letters are addressed to some concrete set of recipients. We in the Catholic Church believe that the letters nevertheless are to be taken as an instruction to all of us, who are called to be saints. From Philippians 2:9-15, for example, we learn that sainthood is worked out in fear and trembling and with God's help. My conclusion, from the text, was that therefore when we venerate a saint we also worship God that made them so.
we all beholding the glory of the Lord with open face, are transformed into the same image from glory to glory, as by the Spirit of the Lord. (2 Corinthians 3:18)
Miriam is the Virgin of Israel, the very Israel of God so that in the context of Revelation 12 we see her. Israel did not bring forth Messiah except through her, for she was the humble, willing, brave, and faithful mother of God with us. No one will ever separate her from Messiah and his sheep whom she loves.
Ah yes the standing up and sitting down and you forgot the kneeling too
When I was younger before I understood the significance
I thought they did it just to keep us awake
For the Greater Glory of God
None of the protestants on the forum have yet to offer up any thing for Jim to judge
I don’t trust unless it can be verified
As for “buddies” with buddies like these who needs
Dull razors
AMDG
Indeed. So Mary was given grace, the act was once complete, and her state now is referred to by the angel as such that resulted from the complete bestowal of grace.
in the case of Christ we do have this confirmation from other Scripture [...] We have no such confirmation with Mary.
It is, first, a wrong premise to seek every theological insight from a direct scriptural text. The Church produced other teachings beside that contained in the Scripture; mature Catholic mariology developed over time. That the Protestants wish to limit their cognitive ability to a direct instruction from canonical scripture is a part of the reason why Protestantism is a theological fantasy, whose only effect on the Christendom was to scatter the flock and lead it to loss of faith. Now, no single word in the Bible is authority for you unless it is repeated twice. Why stop at that? Perhaps we should seek a triple confirmation? Is "κεχαριτωμενη" in the context it is used, with the grammatical meaning that you describe, a word of God or not?
Nowhere in the scripture do we see Mary somehow losing that state of grace. She in fact is the only one beside St. John to stick with the Lord to the very end of His mission, at the Cross and at Ascension. Followers of Christ venerated her; the beloved disciple was adopted by her. A reasonable reader of the Holy Scripture who reads it in order to learn rather than in order to find anti-Catholic phony prooftexts sees modern mariology all in there.
The Catholic Church teaches that all are judged; did I say something else?
One would think, then, given the widespread use of sculpture depicting religious figures, that there would exist other examples of this purportedly well-understood representation, that of horns in place of a halo.
But, it appears that we see just Moses with horns. Odd, that. No Mary with horns. One might get the impression that Jerome's erroneous translation pertaining specifically to Moses had something to with it, mightn't one?
I've somehow missed your offering anything up. Can you direct me to the reply?
Just to be clear: leaving aside the sarcasm, of course Mary is an embodiment of Israel's ideal of purity and the fruit and high point of the Nation of Israel. My laugh was at the oligophrenic desire to substitute "Israel" for "mother of Christ" in order to deny Mary's presence in that chapter.
Yes, Jerome used “horned” intentionally and specifically to describe Moses and so we depict Moses with horns and not with halo.
Thank you for your candor.
God bless you for your interest in the Catholic traditions.
You’re quite welcome as always, annalex.
I’ll repost so folks see the challenge again:
Alex
I would agree however this all started because several folks on your side disagreed (to put it mildly) with my original statement, which was:
“I wouldn’t know since I have never been to a protestant service, however, I have been told by protestants that there is more Scripture in a Catholic Mass than they hear from their preacher or pastor on any given Sunday.”
“Now if you actually go to a Church on the Lords day, your particular mileage may vary.”
So I thought of a method to give your side a chance to “prove” my statement to be false, since they claimed my statement was false.
Since I don’t believe a contest is a contest unless folks have skin in the game, I voluntarily made a $250 donation to Jim Robinson and FreeRepublic and promised to add another $750 if your side could find a protestant church that had more Scripture than a Catholic Sunday or Weekday Mass (which we limited to Sunday for equivalence).
In this case I will just compare our little Catholic Church in the middle of absolutely nowhere’s Scripture to ANY protestant church anywhere, on any Sunday (your choice) provided someone is a member of said church, is present and records the entire proceeding.
Now I’m getting lots of suggestions on changing things and problems cause it will be too hard to compare and impossible to judge.
Let me assure you all:
first, the offer is real as I have already paid the $250 to Jim.
second, the followup offer is real and, if necessary, I will place the $750 in escrow for Jim should you all win the contest,
third, nobody is going to be changing or modifying the rules since as someone mentioned they work for a non-profit, which means they are paid with OPM (Other Peoples Money), in this case this offer is for MOM (My Own Money) therefore, my contest rules,
fourth, it is not too hard it is just not easy, so the quitters won’t even try and the doers will figure out a way to get it done,
fifth, Jim Robinson and FreeRepublic as the recipient of the funds is the single most qualified and best one to judge who wins the contest - does anyone have a problem with that?
I am looking for the protestant light brigade or Calvinistas or others to step up and pledge the $750 on the protestant side - since I would rather Jim and FreeRepublic get the whole $1000 if not from me when you lose, then from your side.
Now I’m still getting comments that it is a forgone conclusion that protestants have more scripture in their Sunday service than Catholics at Sunday Mass. Well that is certainly not what I have been told, so now is the time for you to prove it.
It is for FreeRepublic and
For the Greater Glory of God
“Moving the goalposts again, I see.”
You forget again.... they are my goalposts...
Add Majoram Dei Gloriam
Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.[1]
Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.
Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy
Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is lampooned in Dante's Divine Comedy
Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.[2]
Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.[3]
Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony[4]
Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked.
That you enjoy the FREEDOM of religion in!
Having undertaken, for the Glory of God, and advancements of the Christian faith and honor of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the Northern parts of Virginia, do by these presents, solemnly and mutually, in the presence of God, and one another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil body politic; for our better ordering, and preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid; and by virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal laws, ordinances, acts, constitutions, and offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general good of the colony; unto which we promise all due submission and obedience.In witness whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape Cod the 11th of November, in the year of the reign of our Sovereign Lord King James, of England, France, and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth, 1620.
And therein lies the fallacy of your "challenge."
Additionally, you've relied upon hearsay to make a broad, sweeping statement regarding something with which you've admitted unfamiliarity, and not only that, you've failed to provide any objective standard against which anything could be measured.
You've set up a fool's errand, basically, dragged the site owner into it and appear to have modified the purported "requirements" several times over the course of this thread.
So, it appears to me that you're unserious and merely stirring the pot for amusement.
The second time.
Prove what they said and what I related was wrong and win akimbo $750
Is this a shiny object?
Once again; it is up to no one but yourself to prove EVIDENCE for your claims.
Homie don't play dis.
Then no one gets upset except the inferior ones.
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