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Pay No Attention to That Man Behind the Curtain! Catholic History and the Emerald City Protocol
reformation21 ^ | April 2012 | Carl Trueman

Posted on 04/05/2014 5:57:23 AM PDT by Gamecock

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To: Karl Spooner
My wife was excommunicated 40 years ago and I have never been to a church in my life for services. That makes us pretty bad I reckon! We just stick to the bible and not listen too mush to man. :)

Do you think a person could be a Spirit of God filled believer and avoid being in a church with other believers ? I would say, barring the ability to function due to disability or extraneous circumstance, that is carnal rebellion. If we love God we must love the brethren.

681 posted on 04/09/2014 6:02:41 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: af_vet_1981
I think the real reason face-to-face confessions are the path less chosen is due to the shame of sin.

Did you ever think that a priest might be a drunk(or worse) and confesses your sin all around town?

682 posted on 04/09/2014 6:05:03 AM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: strider44

Well said...the more we poke hot irons at each other the less we desire to work together to foil the real enemy.


683 posted on 04/09/2014 6:06:18 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: RegulatorCountry
Well, and how would you chisel radiance in marble?

This is indeed a translation that ultimately failed to express the meaning, but it is not likely that St. Jerome simply erred:

The depiction of a horned Moses stems from the description of Moses' face as "cornuta" ("horned") in the Latin Vulgate translation of the passage from Exodus in which Moses returns to the people after receiving the commandments for the second time.[10] The Douay-Rheims Bible translates the Vulgate as, "And when Moses came down from the mount Sinai, he held the two tables of the testimony, and he knew not that his face was horned from the conversation of the Lord."[11] This was Jerome's effort to faithfully translate the difficult, original Hebrew Masoretic text, which uses the term, karan (based on the root, keren, which often means "horn"); the term is now interpreted to mean "shining" or "emitting rays" (somewhat like a horn).[12][13] Although some historians believe that Jerome made an outright error,[14] Jerome himself appears to have seen keren as a metaphor for "glorified", based on other commentaries he wrote, including one on Ezekiel, where he wrote that Moses' face had "become 'glorified', or as it says in the Hebrew, 'horned'."[6]:77[9]:98–105 The Greek Septuagint, which Jerome also had available, translated the verse as "Moses knew not that the appearance of the skin of his face was glorified."[15] In general medieval theologians and scholars understood that Jerome had intended to express a glorification of Moses' face, by his use of the Latin word for "horned."[6]:74–90 The understanding that the original Hebrew was difficult and was not likely to literally mean "horns" persisted into and through the Renaissance.[16]

Wikipedia (references work at source).

684 posted on 04/09/2014 6:08:01 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: daniel1212
Phil 3:4-11

If anyone else thinks he may have confidence in the flesh, I more so: circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews; concerning the law, a Pharisee; concerning zeal, persecuting the church; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith; that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.

686 posted on 04/09/2014 6:09:08 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Alex Murphy

If we’re not limited to year, I’ll reach back to 1781 and John Wesley’s Sermon 60, “The General Deliverance.”

http://new.gbgm-umc.org/umhistory/wesley/sermons/60/


687 posted on 04/09/2014 6:09:23 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: LurkingSince'98; daniel1212; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; Elsie
I've seen these claims, throwing random verses into a hat and pulling out a mass hardly qualifies as teaching Scripture.

I could use that same technique of selecting certain Bible verses with the resulting tome being so utterly offensive to modern sensibilities that I would be stripped of my FR membership!

688 posted on 04/09/2014 6:10:23 AM PDT by Gamecock (If the cross is not foolishness to the lost world then we have misrepresented the cross." S.L.)
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To: Karl Spooner
The Apostles met daily and they suffered persecution. We may only meet weekly and have incredible freedom from persecution. Yet others dangers lurk.

We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; And having an high priest over the house of God; Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;) And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

689 posted on 04/09/2014 6:13:40 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: Gamecock
I could use that same technique of selecting certain Bible verses with the resulting tome being so utterly offensive to modern sensibilities that I would be stripped of my FR membership!

I bet you can't. Go ahead and try it.

690 posted on 04/09/2014 6:15:48 AM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: annalex
The presence of Michelangelo's Moses in Rome, in The Church of St. Peter In Chains, with what are plainly horns on his head seems to undermine such a contention. There were and are other conventionalized means of representing "radiance" about one's head and face in painting and sculpture. There were clearly no objections from either the church hierarchy or the laity, otherwise that rather infamous statue of Moses with horns would not have been sitting there rather puckishly horn-bedecked since 1515.
691 posted on 04/09/2014 6:16:07 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Karl Spooner

I knew there was something special about you!



692 posted on 04/09/2014 6:17:39 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

rofl...sounds about right, it’s hard to understand how man believes only his little group will get in, very funny Thanks.


693 posted on 04/09/2014 6:18:22 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: annalex
Saints are in heaven but they have not assumed their bodies yet, excepting Mary the Mother of God.

Have you any evidence of this?

694 posted on 04/09/2014 6:18:38 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: af_vet_1981

The last time I posted in red I got chewed out by the RC’s. I wonder if you will?


695 posted on 04/09/2014 6:18:42 AM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: Karl Spooner; Jim Robinson

Not unless I get a letter of immunity from JR himself!


696 posted on 04/09/2014 6:23:01 AM PDT by Gamecock (If the cross is not foolishness to the lost world then we have misrepresented the cross." S.L.)
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To: annalex
All shall rise from the dead in their own, in their entire, and in immortal bodies; but the good shall rise to the resurrection of life, the wicked to the resurrection of Judgment.

Strange, the Scriptures says something a bit different than this...

 

 

Revelation 20:11-15
"Then I saw a great White Throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and THE BOOKS WERE OPENED. Another book was opened WHICH IS THE BOOK OF LIFE. The dead were judged according to their works as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to their works.  Then death and Hades were thrown into the Lake of Fire. The Lake of Fire is the second death. If anyone's name was not found written IN THE BOOK OF LIFE, he was thrown into the lake of fire."


697 posted on 04/09/2014 6:23:56 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Gamecock

“their own little pagan sandbox”

Name calling is exactly how St Paul evangelized.


698 posted on 04/09/2014 6:24:17 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: af_vet_1981
If we love God we must love the brethren.

True; but some of them are downright unlikeable!

699 posted on 04/09/2014 6:25:27 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ThomasMore

You are right!

You are on #11 now; just WAIT ‘til you get completely through this thread!


700 posted on 04/09/2014 6:26:33 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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