Pay No Attention to That Man Behind the Curtain! Catholic History and the Emerald City Protocol

reformation21 ^ | April 2012 | Carl Trueman

[Dutchboy88]

This thread has wandered around the topics sufficiently to warrant an additional rabbit trail question...

Is the old rumor true that the confessional booth was actually built with the separator screen to prevent attacks on women by the priest? Just wondering.

[Karl Spooner]

Elsie: Satan will continue to convince me that Jesus cannot hold on to me, even in the times my faith grows weak. Satan will try to convince me that I need to DO more to gain favor with GOD. Satan will attempt to trick me into believing all kinds of strange things to try to derail my journey."

Lurk: thank you for that. it was a very good testament to your faith mush more than opinion. I understand and think you are on the right track God keep you in the palm of His hand.

Nothing like a little pat on the back, right Elsie?

[Karl Spooner]

We COULD take that one a long ways, but we better not. God wants ALL souls to be saved. Just think how embarrassing it would be for Satan to go into the Lake of Fire, alone?!

[Dutchboy88]

"We COULD take that one a long ways, but we better not. God wants ALL souls to be saved."

Well, evidently He wants everyone but Pharaoh...and Esau...and Judas...and Simon the Sorcerer...and

[Karl Spooner]

Well, evidently He wants everyone but Pharaoh...and Esau...and Judas...and Simon the Sorcerer...and

Is there anywhere in the scriptures where God denied the chance? I would be careful what you say about God's mercy.

[LurkingSince'98]

I just know you are going to not this because I was referring to the ‘imaginary’ Elsie (the cow) instead of the ‘real’? Elsie the poster.

I know, I know you don’t even have to say it - curdled milk for me.

AMDG

[Karl Spooner]

Anybody keeping count of the apologies?

[daniel1212]

you said “Confession isn’t face to face.” Again you are not just wrong you are fractally wrong on every level of scale. Face to face confession is optional but has always been an option for anyone. Only impediment is when a priest is hearing confessions on a all-women retreat then it is always in a regular confessional.

I am sure Metmom is simply speaking from her age and experience, as years ago the screen was the norm, and i myself, who prayerfully left Rome in about 1983, cannot recall ever having a face to face confession (and i did go weekly in my childhood and often before i left after becoming manifestly born again by the grace of God.)

In some Catholic parishes, face-to-face is only by appointment. Canon law requires that a confessional is to be available and that the penitent always has the right to an anonymous confession. ( Canon 964, §2 )

Of course, while the Scriptures support the principle and practice of intercessory prayer in obtaining mercy for souls, that being primarily a function of the elders of the church but not restricted to them, (Ja, 5:13-20) and of discipline in binding a man in his sins over to judgment, (1Cor. 5) it knows nothing of a separate class of clergy titled "priests" ("hiereus") which the Holy Spirit never calls NT pastors who are elders/overseers as one office (do not try to argue it comes from presbuteros, as it does not , except by way of unique imposed functional equivalence), under the premise that they engage in a unique sacrificial function.

And such are in need of redemption themselves if they believe the act of baptism and postmortem suffering in purgatory will gain them the holiness needed to see God.

[Karl Spooner]

You won’t hear about it but the number if advances by both men and women on the priest is supposed to be distressing which is why priests will rarely have face to face with any woman,

So now I take it that you now apologize to Metmon for calling her a "liar"?

[Karl Spooner]

"In any study performed either from within the Catholic Curch or outside the Church, the complaints by women against priests is about 0.01 percent."

Not that we don't trust you, but could you list a source for that?

[LurkingSince'98]

Agreed that it was not commonplace yet neither was it rare.

First time it happened to me I was serving Mass at 6:30am on a weekday.

Before Mass the priest asked both of us altar boys if we were going to communion - I muttered that I had to go to confession first. He said “no problem” put his arm on my shoulder and said you can do it right here.

Needless to say I had never heard of face to face confession either, but I know now.

AMDG

[LurkingSince'98]

I am picking out letters on my iPhone however in an hour I’ll be back at the ranch and will post it for all to see,

[annalex]

Hi, thanks for reading.

I am Alex. My wife is Ann.

[metmom]

Is the old rumor true that the confessional booth was actually built with the separator screen to prevent attacks on women by the priest? Just wondering.

Never heard that, but probably the women were safe.

[Karl Spooner]

Needless to say I had never heard of face to face confession either, but I know now.

Do you even know what you write from one post to another? Or do you think another lie will cover them up?

[metmom]

I grew up with catholic children in the neighborhood and that's the way they described it to me. Guess that make me a liar, too :)

Welcome aboard.....

Somehow, relating what I experienced while growing up that doesn't lockstep match what other Catholics may have experienced, makes me *poorly catechized* and making *direct falsehoods*.

It appears that many Catholics cannot come to grips with the idea that someone may have experienced different ways of doing things in the Catholic church.

[Elsie]

Probably not...

[Elsie]

Yup...