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Catholic Word of the Day: ZEITGEIST, 04-01-14
CCDictionary ^ | 04-01-14 | from Fr. John Hardon's Modern Catholic Dictionary

Posted on 04/01/2014 9:20:36 AM PDT by Salvation

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ZEITGEIST

 

Spirit of the times. Used especially to explain why many people are so skeptical of the supernatural and so demanding that Christian faith and morals conform to the modern mentality.

All items in this dictionary are from Fr. John Hardon's Modern Catholic Dictionary, © Eternal Life. Used with permission.



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Modern times vs. Jesus Christ, the way, the truth and the life.
1 posted on 04/01/2014 9:20:36 AM PDT by Salvation
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2 posted on 04/01/2014 9:25:44 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

zeitgeist = world-ghost

What the h is a world-ghost?


3 posted on 04/01/2014 9:43:13 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: bunkerhill7

“Zeit” means “time,” and “Geist” can mean ghost or spirit—so it’s “time-spirit,” or spirit of the time.


4 posted on 04/01/2014 10:18:58 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Salvation

Methodists also use the term “Zeitgeist.”


5 posted on 04/01/2014 10:20:12 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Salvation

Its a common German term.


6 posted on 04/01/2014 11:26:30 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Fiji Hill

Actually in philosophy ZEITGEIST MEANS WORLD-GHOST because the SPACE-TIME CONTINUUM DEMANDS a real vehicle or platform in which for time to operate.

HEGEL MEANT THAT the ZEITGEIST is to operate in societies, which is the world of man.

ERGO the correct translation, in view of Hegel`s textual inclusion into his Phenomenology, which encompasses ZEITGEIST only in societies [Hegel]- i.e., the ZEITGEIST cannot exist sans societies, which is the WORLD OF MAN, is WORLD-GHOST.

“Spirit of the time” makes no sense because ZEITGEIST is continually appearing and pushing the world [society]thru TIME,because time never stands still, and neither does the ZEITGEIST

Read Hegel even tho he is 250 years old.

De Chardin took ZEITGEIST a step further and even supposed a destination to which the ZEITGEIST is pushing the world society thru time and space.

yupyup yup


7 posted on 04/01/2014 12:50:22 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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I'm not an authority on Hegel, but according to Wikipedia--a site I avoid citing, but I'm doing so due to time constraints--he never used the actual term "Zeitgeist." However, in his writings, he did use the expression der Geist seiner Zeit, "the spirit of the time," as in his notion that no one can go past his own time, and the spirit of the time is his own spirit." in

He also apparently used the term Weltgeist, "world ghost," in his writings. For more information, surf over here.

8 posted on 04/01/2014 1:56:12 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Fiji Hill

Yes ZEITGEIST is not the same as “der Geist seiner Zeit”,


ZEITGEIST” is a philosophical term denoting the spirit in the world driving it, the

inexorable drive of the apparent conflicting push and pull of FREE Will and God`s Plan-

“Come, Holy Spirit, fill the hearts of thy Faithful; and enkindle in them the fire of Thy love. Send forth Thy Spirit and they shall be created, and THOU SHALT RENEW THE FACE OF THE EARTH.


9 posted on 04/01/2014 2:56:50 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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I know that in German, “Zeit” means time and “Geist” means spirit or ghost.


10 posted on 04/01/2014 3:10:43 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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YES BUT in philosophy ZEITGEIST [ONE WORD, NOT 2 WORDS!]is a conceptual theory and has nothing to do with the actual separate word meanings.

For example,
Kant`s “Categorical Imperative” is a philosophical theoretical concept and has nothing to do with “categories” nor is it a command, an i.e. an “imperative”.

The Categorical Imperative is a dispositional method of giving paths to test the right or wrong of happenings in life and to criticize and ascertain the true good or evil of the latter. A direct command [imperative]to do exact deeds it is not.

It is a philosophical theoretical concept. as is “ZEITGEIST”=

ZEITGEIST has nothing to do with the separate meanings of the separate words. But together as ONE WORD, ZEITGEIST, IT HAS BEEN ASCRIBED A PHILOSOPHICAL MEANING BY PHILOSPHERS

< and it just ain`t “Spirit of the times”, which sounds like an advertisement for coca cola.


11 posted on 04/01/2014 3:58:27 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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“Zeitgeist” may have a specialized meaning in the argot of philosophers, but in German, it means “spirit of the times,” and that is also the popular connotation of the term in English. If you don’t believe me, do a German-language search on Google for the term, such as “Zeitgeist der 1920er Jahren” or “Zeitgeist vor dem Ersten Weltkrieg” and see what you retrieve.


12 posted on 04/01/2014 6:37:11 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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...and it just ain`t “Spirit of the times”, which sounds like an advertisement for coca cola.

According to Noah Webster, "Zeitgeist" means "the spirit of the age. trend of thought and feeling in a period"--as I have explained.

13 posted on 04/04/2014 12:34:51 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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Sorry but use of a DICTIONARY OF PHILOSOPHY is easier facilitated than an regular dictionary coz they are specialized terms, as a “mouse” for a computer is not a gray animal living as found in dictionaries of HEGEL`s times...’TIMES ‘HEGEL`s TIMES’= ‘HEGEL`s WORLD’- GOT IT NOW?
ZEITGEIST WEBSTER = “the trend of culture”
Well, cultures apply to “CIVILIZATIONS” WHICH EXIST ONLY IN THE WORLD-
.
“TIMES” refers to cultures present at a certain time in the WORLD<, not clocks.

EXAMPLE ‘It was different world then’
= ‘it was a different time then”
= ‘They were different times then”= GOT IT?

ERGO< ‘WORLD GHOST’ IS MORE APT A TRANSLATION coz I never knew of a ghost that lived in a clock.


14 posted on 04/04/2014 2:06:33 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: bunkerhill7

I tried to find an online dictionary of philosophy, and my search led to Oxford Reference, which apparently includes a philosophy dictionary. Their definition was similar to Webster’s.

A Boolean search for “world ghost” AND zeitgeist on Google led back to this thread.

Next time I go to USC or Cal State Fullerton, I’ll look at a print philosophy dictionary to see what it says.


15 posted on 04/04/2014 6:00:37 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Fiji Hill
Webster def of TIME[S]: 'one`s EXPERIENCE during specified period or occasion'

cf Tim 2:1

'"This but you knowing that in last days will be standing in appointed times fierce

touto de ginoske oti en esxatais amerais enatasontai kairoi xalepoi

ZEIT in GERMAN MEANS 'TIME",. not TIMES

das sind gute Zeiten = these are good times

TIMES IN GERMAN = ZEITEN, not ZEIT

zeitalter = age, "in victorian times =Viktorianischen Zeitalter

times are hard = die Zeiten sind hart or schwer ⇒ times are changing =es kommen andere Zeiten

manchmal=sometimes mal=times

there are hard times ahead of us = aus uralten Zeiten erzahlen [tell from ancient times]

to have fallen on hard times = vom Pferd auf den Esel kommen [to have gone from the horse to the donkey]

through good times and bad = im Bosen wie im Guten/im Bosen und im Guten so wie im Guten

he read to us a fairy tale of ancient times = Er las uns ein Mardjen aus alten Zeiten vor.

he is complying with the times = Er hangt den Mantel nach dem Winde [He hangs his coat to the wind]

the term 'spirit of the world" is found in 1 Corinthians 2: 12 "pneuma tou kosmos"

Thus ZEITEN = TIMES

ZEITEN = TIMES and from the german above there are many way to express 'times' " as an indicator of THE WORLD AT A DIFFERENT TIME=

ergo times= THE WORLD AT A CERTAIN TIME< not a date or a watch or a day or a certain time but the WORLD in a certain epoch or era.

HEGEL is not talking about TIME here but the WORLD in action,

decribed by St. Paul above, "the spirit of the world".

Where do you think HEGEL got this notion of 'spirit of the time" anyhow?

correct translation is "spirit of the time", not "spirit of the times."

because it occurs nowhere in german literature as 'TIMES" but as ZEIT= TIME

ZEITEN=TIMES, not "TIME" for ZEIT = TIME

16 posted on 04/05/2014 9:19:52 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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17 posted on 04/05/2014 9:21:51 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Jack Boots on Ice!


18 posted on 04/05/2014 9:26:32 AM PDT by Flag_This (Liberalism: Kills countries dead.)
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Das ein Krotchenbreakinautripzeiten


19 posted on 04/05/2014 9:37:21 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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Er las uns ein Mardjen aus alten Zeiten vor.

Herr Professor, Was ist ein "Mardjen"? Und warum brauchen Sie keine Umlaute ("Bösen," "hängt," usw.)?

Verzeihen Sie mir, aber vielleicht bin ich zu pingelig.

20 posted on 04/06/2014 11:45:53 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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