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To: CynicalBear
>>>He would also have to explain how Nero desolated the Temple in 70AD when he had already died two years earlier in 68AD.<<<

What does that statement have anything to do with what is written? Did you make up that requirement, or did someone else make it up?

>>>Then they have to explain how God doesn’t keep His promises to the nation of Israel.<<<

God kept his promises to Abraham and his seed, which was in Christ. The fact that you do not understand the New Testament does not change the scripture. The nation of Israel, on the other hand, did not keep its promises to God. I challenge you to prove otherwise.

>>>God has once again established the nation of Israel on part of that land but will soon give them the entire area promised them for an “everlasting possession”.<<<

Are you certain that is not the word of the devil. Even some Jewish scholars do not believe it is the work of God.

Who is the "nation of Israel?" Are they those who worship a strange, anti-Christian God found in Talmudic Judaism. Are they the blood kin of the old nation of Israel? Who exactly is the "nation of Israel?" How do you define a Jew? Are they the true bloods of old Israel who descendents never married outside their race?

One other point: has God became a respector of persons in this age, when he said many times that he was not, and warned us not to be? Frankly, I don't think so.

Therefore, I will assume all Christians are the children of Abraham, and all Christians have the sole right to the promised land above any non-Christian, regardless of race.

Philip

109 posted on 02/23/2014 10:51:44 AM PST by PhilipFreneau
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To: PhilipFreneau
>> The nation of Israel, on the other hand, did not keep its promises to God. I challenge you to prove otherwise.<<

As I showed you in my last post, there were no conditions that Israel had to keep as far as the inheritance of the land was concerned.

>> Are you certain that is not the word of the devil. Even some Jewish scholars do not believe it is the work of God.<<

Surely you can’t be serious. If you do not consider these the words of God we have nothing more to discuss.

Genesis 17:8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

1 Chronicles 16:14-18 "He is The Lord our God; His judgments are in all the earth. He is mindful of His covenant for ever, of the word that He commanded, for a thousand generations, the covenant which He made with Abraham, His sworn promise to Isaac, which He confirmed as a statute to Jacob, as an everlasting covenant to Israel, saying, "To you I will give the land of Canaan, as your portion for an inheritance."

>>Who is the "nation of Israel?"<<

Revelation 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. 5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. 6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. 7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. 8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

>>Are they the blood kin of the old nation of Israel?<<

Yes!

>>Who exactly is the "nation of Israel?"<<

The genetic offspring of the twelve sons of Isaac.

>>How do you define a Jew?<<

It doesn’t matter who I define as a Jew. God said all of Israel will be joined together in the land of Canaan.

>>One other point: has God became a respector of persons in this age, when he said many times that he was not, and warned us not to be? Frankly, I don't think so.<<

Doesn’t matter what you think. God promised what He promised and won’t change that. We are in a different management period as per Paul which will end when the full number of the Gentiles has been brought in.

Ephesians 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, 2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

>>Therefore, I will assume all Christians are the children of Abraham, and all Christians have the sole right to the promised land above any non-Christian, regardless of race.<<

Assuming doesn’t make it so. We have been grafted in but are NOT assigned to each of the tribes. The promises regarding the land of Canaan were made to a specific genetic people. God is currently re-gathering those people into the land He promised them.

111 posted on 02/23/2014 11:33:09 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: PhilipFreneau
>>What does that statement have anything to do with what is written? Did you make up that requirement, or did someone else make it up?<<

It is written that the one who stands in the temple is the one who goes to war with Israel and the one who God destroys at Armageddon.

112 posted on 02/23/2014 11:38:48 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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