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To: Errant

“You, having done more research than I is debatable.”

Historical research? Sorry, you can’t even come close.

“Having played a role in one or two modest historical projects myself, involving multiple universities with thousands of dollars on the line, not to mention the reputations of several large organizations, I know the importance of selecting researchers who are fair and unbiased. I’m not too sure anyone with your kind of blinders on would qualify.”

Again, in this lifetime I have done more historical research than you ever will.

“Then again, this is nothing more than a distraction on your part in lieu of evidence proving your claim that the church played no part in the Inquisition.”

And there we go. Show me where I ever claimed “the church played no part in the Inquisition.” I claimed no such thing. Now, you said I did claim that. I have asked you to show me where I did so. You will fail because I made no such claim. Why is it that anti-Catholic bigots so often simply make stuff up and claim someone said it, or that someone believes it, when that is not the case? Again, show me where I ever claimed “the church played no part in the Inquisition.” You will fail to do so.

“Those thousands put to horrific death will not be silenced and will be avenged one day and probably in the not too distant future as even your own Catholic seers have predicted.”

Oh, get a life. Again, show me where I ever claimed “the church played no part in the Inquisition.”


188 posted on 01/31/2014 8:21:34 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
Oh, get a life.

How ironic coming from someone attempting to defend those who took so many.

Historical research? Sorry, you can’t even come close.

Right...

Again, show me where I ever claimed “the church played no part in the Inquisition.”

Oh, so now you are admitting the church DID play a role in the Inquisition?

--- More Weasel Words From You go Here ---

Why is it that anti-Catholic bigots so often simply make stuff up...

I don't know, why don't you ask one when you find one. Since you seem incapable of posting without mentioning the word "bigot", perhaps you're just becoming delusional or maybe you need a mirror?

190 posted on 01/31/2014 9:00:01 PM PST by Errant (Surround yourself with intelligent and industrious people who help and support each other.)
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To: vladimir998; Errant

According to you what part did they play? Though to be clear, that best answered after the phrase "the church" is defined, perhaps. After which, be specific, and inclusive enough to be honest; first--with yourself) concerning it, while not limiting this only to the Spanish Inquisition, perhaps.

Were they like hall monitors? One could only run to participate or celebrate in the killing of theological dissidents, if there had been official approval for such activities?

Llorente gave the world an overview (chapter 1, pages 1 thru 12, or so) which extended back to the first recorded uses of force (in context of the Christian Church) to compel persons to some level of compliance or another, on strictly theological grounds, with this force coming in conjunction with secular powers, which as Llorente further in his book outlined and gave example for, included how the Roman Catholic Church in particular, eventually turned towards more fully compelling secular powers to do "the dirty work", when they did not do so more directly using their own hands to strangle, or light a fire to burn the bodies (even at times --- those bodies still alive) of those whom dared openly oppose themselves. Dependent upon definition of "the church", of course.

Each and every time I see some Romanist say "but the church didn't do it" I have to check myself from slapping them for their speciousness, with this much tempered by realization that most of them either don't really themselves know, or have had the truth of the matter badly misrepresented to them by various RC ecclesiastical community apologists who at times (even on the pages of FR) can be seen to themselves specialize in those efforts.

Meanwhile, regardless of all the lawyer-ing, the word games (by which I mean --- the self-justification and seeking for escape valves to lead away from acceptance of culpability) the Lord Himself sees all, and is fooled by none of it, although He can forgive nonetheless.


192 posted on 02/01/2014 5:50:51 AM PST by BlueDragon ("the fans are staying away from the ballpark...in droves" Yogi Berra)
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