Posted on 01/22/2014 5:49:08 PM PST by HarleyD
That is not loving each other, but Christ has the vision and authority to forgive..we should strive to be the hest children we can, not if we fall, we all do, although not taken lightly..there is not one here on earth who before an infinite perfect God can stand..God is infinite, our sins are not washed in time because we are good, its there in our minds in iur hearts history..so we must be washed in his blood to forgive ourselves. In that knowledge we begin to see the transition...their is no salvation end run around Christ for the jewish people, islamic people, etc.. but I do belive theLord is raising different relationships as the reason we are created..interesting..
That’s the view according to dead religion, which credits man with putting together the Bible. Since the Catholic Church says it goes back to Peter, you would also claim it wrote the New Testament. The church isn’t an institution, though, but the body of Christ made up of believers who have been born again through Christ. I remember reading that the Catholic Church adopted celibacy for priests for monetary reasons and ever since it did it’s been extremely wealthy and spending lavishly on itself. It’s also gone after the ways of the world, which is why it doesn’t take the Bible literally. If Genesis isn’t true, then the genealogies given for Jesus in the New Testament are wrong, and that is only one place where Catholic doctrine isn’t consistent. As the Word of God says, though, Scripture was written by men who were led by the Holy Spirit. And God’s Word also says that wolves would come into the flock. The Catholic Church hasn’t stayed true to God’s Word, and the Catholic Church today is very different from the early Church. You have to wonder if early Christians would recognize it as Christian.
19 If they were all one member, where would the body be? 20 But now there are many members, but one body. 21 And the eye cannot say to the hand, “I have no need of you”; or again the head to the feet, “I have no need of you.”
**Spirit. And God’s Word also says that wolves would come into the flock. The Catholic Church hasn’t stayed true to God’s Word, and the Catholic Church today is very different from the early Church. You have to wonder if early Christians would recognize it as Christian.**
Have you read anything from Justin Martyr? I think the early Christians would recognize Catholics today, for our Mass is nearly the same as it was in the times of the Early Church fathers.
It’s other denominations that need to be worried here.
It's not like God handed the completed work to some guy on a mountain like he did with Moses and the 10 commandments.
I just have always found it interesting that we believers seem to believe that no one in the last 1900 years has written anything God inspired that could be added. And why do we only study these letters assembled by the Catholic church to the virtual exclusion of all else.
I assume from what you wrote that your a protestant (as am I). How come we don't study the writings of Martin Luther or others which formed the basis of all protestant denominations in our sunday school classes? Are there no God inspired protestant writings?
> What about Elijah?
> What about Moses?
> Both appeared with Christ at the Transfiguration.
> What about Enoch, whom the Bible says “Walked with the Lord”?
> What about all the souls from the Old Testament who awoke from their graveyard sites and roamed around Jerusalem, visible to the believers?
From John 8
True Disciples
31 Then Jesus said to the Jews who had believed in him, “If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples; 32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.” 33 They answered him, “We are descendants of Abraham and have never been slaves to anyone. What do you mean by saying, ‘You will be made free’?”
34 Jesus answered them, “Very truly, I tell you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. 35 The slave does not have a permanent place in the household; the son has a place there forever. 36 So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed. 37 I know that you are descendants of Abraham; yet you look for an opportunity to kill me, because there is no place in you for my word. 38 I declare what I have seen in the Father’s presence; as for you, you should do what you have heard from the Father.”[i]
Jesus and Abraham
39 They answered him, “Abraham is our father.” Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would be doing[j] what Abraham did, 40 but now you are trying to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. This is not what Abraham did. 41 You are indeed doing what your father does.” They said to him, “We are not illegitimate children; we have one father, God himself.” 42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now I am here. I did not come on my own, but he sent me. 43 Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot accept my word. 44 You are from your father the devil, and you choose to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. 46 Which of you convicts me of sin? If I tell the truth, why do you not believe me? 47 Whoever is from God hears the words of God. The reason you do not hear them is that you are not from God.”
And yet Jesus himself said:
“And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.” John 6:39
If you are saying that once saved, always saved
is false, then are you not calling Jesus unable to perform the will of God and lose none of them given him?
Probably because they know something you apparently don't...
Many of us know that the book you are referring to condemns your religion in numerous places...So that invalidates any false claim by your religion that it is the author of that book...
HaHaHa...A saved person knows he's dead...
Can a Catholic do these things and still get to heaven or is he/she condemned to hell???
“The gospel is more often attacked on TBN than it is on NBC.”
I agree. That station is horrible. Non stop prosperity “gospel” round the clock. They have their moments with playing old movies but the rest is like watching infomercials.
Who is the Author of Holy Scriptures? I guess the caps gave it away.
I will search the NT for direction and any guidance on a liturgy. The Didache is probably the closest given the time frame. However that document is very basic which is evident of the PCC.
So far as we know, Jesus was celibate, and at age thirty he was in early middle age by the standards of the time he began his mission.
The New Testament does not prescribe a liturgy. That three of the Gospels make the last supper a part of the Passion of Christ, and the ritual that Jesus mandates, suggests that it should be part of that liturgy, along with prayers and Scripture and preaching.
The sinner who repents truly can see God.
The Book does no such thing.
Check your history. The OT canon was affirmed by Christ in Luke 24. The NT canon was set based on apostolic authority. Meaning the early church had a very good understanding which books or epistles came from actual apostles who walked with Christ or received direct revelation as in the case of Paul.
I find it interesting Catholics try to corner the market on the early fathers as do the Orthodox. They were pious studious men who could hear the Good Shepherd’s Voice in the Gospels of John, Mark, Matthew and Luke but not in Thomas and others. There was also an unbroken chain in the use of what became the NT canon. Just after John’s death we see in Polycarp’s epistle to the Philippians the extensive use of what we call the NT Scriptures. Check this out:
http://www.ntcanon.org/Polycarp.shtml
Now to address this using an analogy. We as Christians believe all Scriptures are inspired by God. He, so to speak, is the “Artist.” When we go to the Louvre we are awed by the wonderful works of art. We expect to see works of art from Leonardo Da Vinci, Michelangelo and other great artists. Since these great works reside in the Louvre does it mean the Louvre is responsible for making the works of art? Of course not, but we thank the Louvre for having a keen eye for art which the curators were taught to look for.
So the early church fathers did not make the scriptures authoritative. They were already authoritative because they came from the “Artist” God.
Really?
Mark 7:1-12
Now when the Pharisees and some of the scribes who had come from Jerusalem gathered around him, they noticed that some of his disciples were eating with defiled hands, that is, without washing them. (For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, do not eat unless they thoroughly wash their hands, thus observing the tradition of the elders; and they do not eat anything from the market unless they wash it; and there are also many other traditions that they observe, the washing of cups, pots, and bronze kettles.) So the Pharisees and the scribes asked him, “Why do your disciples not live according to the tradition of the elders, but eat with defiled hands?” He said to them, “Isaiah prophesied rightly about you hypocrites, as it is written,
‘This people honors me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me;
in vain do they worship me,
teaching human precepts as doctrines.’
You abandon the commandment of God and hold to human tradition.”
Then he said to them, “You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition! For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘Whoever speaks evil of father or mother must surely die.’ But you say that if anyone tells father or mother, ‘Whatever support you might have had from me is Corban’ (that is, an offering to God)— then you no longer permit doing anything for a father or mother, thus making void the word of God through your tradition that you have handed on. And you do many things like this.”
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