Posted on 01/18/2014 8:57:41 PM PST by narses
1. I remember reading something on FR in the past few days about teenagers lying on surveys to be clever/shocking/funny. That’s normal teen behavior.
2. I would guess that if the 9.6% of students in grades 9-11 is accurate (and see #1 about that), that would certainly mean a much lower percentage of adults who perpetrate. One thing we know about sexual predators is they are rarely one and done; most have many victims.
FACT: You would never know it from the media’s lurid and obsessive coverage, but the vast bulk of reported cases of abuse stem only from a historical anomaly, as most allegations occurred during only a small sliver of time during the Sexual Revolution from the 1960s to the early 1980s. And despite media suggestions of dark conspiracies and cover-ups, the Church – like every other institution at the time – simply followed the then-prevailing view of experts in the field that offenders could be successfully rehabilitated and sent accused priests off for treatment, rather than reporting them to police, which resulted in a temporary spike in recidivism.
Protestant pastors and hierarchs haven’t exactly been well known throughout history for having a high morality, despite the party line either, right?
I’m trying to point out that teachers have nothing do with Catholic Priests, how did that even get started?
Really? How do you make that argument?
A priest molests or rapes a young boy(s) and gets caught...He is then shuffled to another parish to continue the same dirty deed...This goes on for his lifetime in your religion...
Some priests are known to have affected the lives of 200 boys or so during their career...
THAT is the issue...There's a religious institution that condones and aids in this perversion of our male youth...Your religion appears to be the major recruitment center for the queer movement in the World...
And then, these queer priests go on to become bishops and cardinals and likely popes...
“Protestant pastors and hierarchs haven’t exactly been well known throughout history for having a high morality”
Don’t know about around the world, but here in the United States we are a pretty dependable conservative voting bloc. The Papists, not so much.
Nice dodge. The morality of the clergy is the question, not the voting habits.
“available research suggests that approximately two to five per cent of priests have had a sexual experience with a minor” which “is lower than the general adult male population” – in which the percentage of those who have interfered with minors “is best estimated to be closer to eight per cent”. In other words, children who have anything to do with priests are between 1.6 and four times LESS likely to be abused by them than by anyone else.”
Seems they don’t teach maths in the UK either.
And are you making the spurious claim that only Catholic priests are guilty of this conduct? Or that only the Catholic Church followed the accepted norms of the day?
And what organizations have adopted the rules of today that protect Catholic children?
There are many millions of teachers, they are just run of the mill people who work a day job, and work in whatever school or district they work in, they get off work and live all kinds of individual lives, they are ordinary people of all persuasions, from atheists, to Catholics, to gay, to Muslim, to Lutheran, to Buddhists and Satanists, to whatever.
How did they become the equivalent to a Catholic Priest, to you?
I think what really fascinates people about the Catholic leadership, is not that they occasionally have a church leader who messes up and dates a teen girl, or has an affair with a woman, or the church organist, but the rampant homosexuality.
“Nice dodge. The morality of the clergy is the question, not the voting habits.”
They tend to correlate, which is fortunate, since it’s hard to get a poll that measures morality.
The Catholic Church’s record of aggressive and proactive protective measures is unparalleled in any organization today. Since the beginning of the abuse crisis, the Catholic Church:
has instituted a “zero tolerance” policy in which any credibly accused priest is immediately removed from ministry. Law enforcement is also notified;
has trained over 5 million children in giving them skills to protect them from abuse;
has trained over 2 million adults, including 99 percent of all priests, in recognizing signs of abuse;
has conducted over 2 million background checks, including those in the intensified screening process for aspiring seminarians and priests;
has installed “Victim Assistance Coordinators” in every diocese, “assuring victims that they will be heard”;
has conducted annual independent audits of all dioceses to monitor compliance with the groundbreaking 2002 Charter for Protection of Children and Young People;
has instituted in all dioceses abuse review boards – often composed of child welfare experts, child psychologists, and abuse experts – to examine any claims of abuse against priests.
No other organization even comes close to implementing the measures the Catholic Church has taken to protect children in its care. In this regard, the Catholic Church in the 21st century is the model for other institutions to follow in the safeguarding of youth.
They tend to correlate,
Nope. Ask Tammy Faye.
We have all dated minors, many of us have even married them, but we don’t have a tendency to choose the same sex.
A lot of nuns do get raped. A little hazard of being a nun. I never did learn of the fate of those Eastern Orthodox nuns who were kidnapped by Muslims in Syria but you know it can’t be good. Stupid raghead probably thought those were the 72 virgins mohammed promised them.
First of all, these two stats aren't comparing the same thing.
“available research suggests that approximately two to five per cent of priests have had a sexual experience with a minor”
“9.6 per cent of all students in grades 8 to 11 report… educator sexual misconduct that was unwanted.”
One of the percentages is the number of priests. The other is the percentage of children, who might well be abused by a very much smaller number of educators. Even 0.5% of educators could easily abuse 9.6% of children, which makes priests from 4 to 20 times more likely to be abusing children than lay educators.
Second, there are so many problems with these stats: What the hell is the sample variance of two to five percent? Second, 2-5% of priests have had a sexual "experience" with a minor, is not the same thing as the 9.6% of students reporting "sexual misconduct." The former description suggests sexual assault, the latter could range from unwanted, non-contact propositions or harassment to touching, to sexual crimes. Who really knows?
We should also point out the obvious thing: in the case of priests, the people assaulted are almost always young men and adolescents. The assaults are perpetrated by what is a very small percentage of the adult male population [1.5-2% by most sane estimates.] The "inappropriate behavior" cited against educators probably involves young females and adult males, and we also know it involves a certain percentages of adult females and boys. So ... you are comparing a large heterosexual population which has contact with dozens or even hundreds of adolescents in the schools per year, with a small number of priests whose access is much more limited -- unless they are teaching in Parochial Schools.
Not saying heterosexual assault isn't crime. What I am saying is that these ARE NOT statistical cohorts by any stretch of the imagination.
Third, Priests are supposed to be moral exemplars.
Fourth, and this is by far the biggest problem: What stats do we have which suggest that teachers with a history of sexual assault are moved to other school districts or in other ways have their transgressions covered up? Again, I don't see the union-dominated, protect rank-and-file members at all costs school systems on a comparable moral footing with what the Church is supposed to be.
You totally ignored my post.
How did you come to want to measure Priests, by the standards of regular people, run of the mill people who are teachers?
It also seems that now you want to make this about pedophilia rather than homosexuality.
I guess that strategy switches from thread to thread.
Define "a lot."
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