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Posted on 12/28/2013 3:59:04 PM PST by NYer
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I can definitely see why religion is unappealing to women and women are leaving in droves. The only women who go to church are really old, like some of my aunts in their 60s.
An all too typical state of cecity seen here .
Being called heretics or schismatics would be mild language for many RCs on FR. But the charge is mutual btwn Scripture Christians and RCs.
I see several very clear, distinct reason for those who before called themselves Catholics to no longer do so.
The largest, single reason is that these were CINOs, Catholics in Name Only, who were only socially aligned with Catholicism. Where they had lived the church effectively ruled over them, dominating the government, the police, and all the good jobs. It even after a fashion dominated the criminal element. The ticket to anything was that a person had to call themselves a Catholic and be affiliated with a parish.
When this social omnipotence of the church ended, so did any reason the CINOs had to be anything other than nominal members.
The second biggest reason was Vatican II. To traditional, conservative Catholics, it felt like a betrayal at the top.
I got to see what happened when a church in Phoenix was again allowed to conduct a Latin Mass. Catholics who had not been to church since Vatican II *had* to return. The first two rows of pews were filled with aged invalids, some on death’s door. Standing room only in that large church, with floor fans because of the heat of so many crowded together. A few elderly people carried icons of their deceased spouses.
These were people who felt the church had deserted them. They wanted their religion back, not whatever trendy ideas were popular for the moment.
That is the kind of testimony that is censored, but as i have said before, if the Eucharist were regulated by the FDA as a health supplement, the claims made for it could be cited as false advertizing
Why let lukewarm Catholics designate whether you receive the Body of Christ or not? You’re extending to them too much power.
68% of those raised Roman Catholic still are Catholic (higher than the retention rates of individual Protestant denoms, but less than Jews at 76%). 15% are now Protestant (9% evangelical); 14% are unaffiliated. Pew forum, Faith in Flux (April 27, 2009) http://pewforum.org/uploadedfiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/fullreport.pdf
80% of adults who were raised Protestant are still Protestant, but (analysis shows) 25% no longer self-identify with the Protestant denomination in which they were raised. ^
44 percent of Americans have switched religious affiliations since childhood, mostly mainline Protestants. 7% who were raised Protestant are now unaffiliated; 15% now belong to a different Protestant faith. ^
51% of Protestants from a different Protestant denomination cite a lack of spiritual fulfillment as a reason for leaving their childhood faith. 85% say they joined their current denominational faith because they enjoy the services and style of worship. Only 15% left say they left because they stopped believing in its teachings. ^
Those who have left Catholicism outnumber those who have joined the Catholic Church by nearly a four-to-one margin. 10.1% have left the Catholic Church after having been raised Catholic, while only 2.6% of adults have become Catholic after having been raised in a different faith.^
4% of Americans raised Catholic are now unaffiliated; 5% are now Protestant. ^
Over 75% of those who left Catholicism attended Mass at least once a week as children, versus 86% having done so who remain Catholics today.^
Regarding reasons for leaving Catholicism, less than 30% of former Catholics agreed that the clergy sexual abuse scandal played a role in their departure. ^
71% of converts from Catholicism to Protestant faith said that their spiritual needs were not being met in Catholicism, with 78% of Evangelical Protestants in particular concurring, versus 43% of those now unaffiliated. ^
50% of all Protestants converts from Catholicism said they stopped believing in Catholicism's teachings overall. Only 23% (20% now evangelical) were unhappy about Catholicism's teachings on abortion/homosexuality (versus 46% of those now unaffiliated); 23% also expressed disagreement with teaching on divorce/remarriage; 16% (12% now evangelical) were dissatisfied with teachings on birth control, 70% said they found a religion the liked more in Protestantism.
55% of evangelical converts from Catholicism cited dissatisfaction with Catholic teachings about the Bible was a reason for leaving Catholicism, with 46% saying the Catholic Church did not view the Bible literally enough.
81% of all Protestant converts from Catholicism said they enjoyed the service and worship of Protestant faith as a reason for joining a Protestant denomination, with 62% of all Protestants and 74% Evangelicals also saying that they felt God's call to do so. ^
42% of those now unaffiliated stated they do not believe in God, or most religious teaching. ^
54% of millennial generation Catholics (born in 1982 or later) are Hispanics, while 39% are non-Hispanic whites. On the other hand, 76% of pre-Vatican II generation Catholics (born 1943 or earlier) are non-Hispanic whites, while 15% are Hispanics. Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate (CARA) at Georgetown University, September, 2010 . http://www.osv.com/tabid/7621/itemid/6850/Openers-More-evidence-of-the-browning-of-US-Cat.aspx
68% of all Latinos in the U.S. identify as Catholics. Changing Faiths: Latinos and the Transformation of American Religion http://pewforum.org/Changing-Faiths-Latinos-and-the-Transformation-of-American-Religion.aspx Baylor Institute for Studies of Religion - American Piety in the 21 Century 9-2006 http://www.baylor.edu/content/services/document.php/33304.pdf
Among Catholics under the age of 30, 47% are white, and 45% are Latino. In contrast, among Catholics over the age of 65, 82% are white (Pew Forum 2007, reported in http://publicreligion.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Catholics-and-LGBT-Issues-Survey-Report.pdf)
Latinos comprised 32 percent of all U.S. Catholics in 2008, versus to 20 percent in 1990. However, Catholic identification has slipped from 66 percent in 1990 to 60 percent in 2008. There has also been a significant rise in the number of Latinos who do not adhere to a religion. The longer a Latino has lived in the United States, the less likely he or she is to be Catholic. Study of Secularism in Society and Culture at Trinity College, http://theamericano.com/2010/03/18/new-report-on-u-s-latino-religious-identification/
18% of all Latinos say they have either converted from one religion to another or to no religion at all. http://pewhispanic.org/files/reports/75.4.pdf
1,000 Mexicans left the Catholic Church every day between 2000 and 2010, a decline that has continued uninterrupted over the past 60 years, from 98.21 of the population to 83.9 percent today. Latin American Herald Tribune, March 10, 2011, based upon census data and study by sociologist and historian Roberto Blancarte of Colegio de Mexico and the National Autonomous University of Mexico
The percentage of of Protestants and Evangelicals rose from 1.28% in 1950 to close to 8% of the total population in 2010, (excluding so-called Jehovahs Witnesses or Mormons). 5.2 million say they profess no religion. ^
This decline is seen as extending across the region (Catholics represent between 55% to 73% in Central America, 70% in Brazil, 50% in Cuba and Uruguay).^
Brazils National Statistics Institute reported that the number of evangelical Christians in Brazil (the worlds largest Catholic country) has risen from 15% of the population in 2000 to to 22% of the population in 2010, and 4% 40 years ago, while the proportion of Catholic Brazilians fell from 93.% of Brazilians 40 years ago, and 74% of the population in 2000 to to 65% in 2010. http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/29/ratio-of-evangelicals-in-brazil-jumps-44-in-10-years/
Almost 20% of all Latino American Catholics have left the Roman Catholicism, with 23 percent of second-generation Latino Americans doing so. http://www.baylor.edu/content/services/document.php/33304.pdf
54% of Hispanic Catholics describe themselves as charismatic Christians. http://pewhispanic.org/reports/report.php?ReportID=75
51% of Hispanic Evangelicals are converts, and 43% are former Catholics. ^
82% of Hispanics cite the desire for a more direct, personal experience with God as the main reason for adopting a new faith. Among those who have become evangelicals, 90% say it was a spiritual search for a more direct, personal experience with God was the main reason that drove their conversion. Negative views of Catholicism do not appear to be a major reason for their conversion. ^
Latino evangelicals are more than 20 percentage points more likely than Catholics to say that abortion should be illegal in most or all circumstances. http://www.nhclc.org/news/latino-religion-us-demographic-shifts-and-trend
The first generation of Latino immigrants is 74 percent Catholic, and 15 percent Protestant. The second generation is 72 percent Catholic, and 20 percent Protestant. The third generation is 62 percent Catholic, and 29 percent Protestant. ^
According to the Census Bureau, the Latino population in the United States grew from 22.4 million in 1990 to 41.3 million in 2004, adding a staggering 18.9 million people in 10 years. Broader estimates, which include Puerto Rican islanders (4 million) and undocumented immigrants (5 million), put the U.S. Latino population at over 50 million. ^
In 2003, Latinos surpassed African-Americans as the largest minority group in the United States. Latinos now represent about 14 percent of the U.S. population. This growth is a result of both immigration and high domestic birth rates. About 53 percent of all immigrants to the United States come from Latin America. Mexicans and Mexican-Americans make up 58 percent of all foreign born Latin-American immigrants. ^ More :
What kind of church was that?
True. Complaints we all have from every angle: from modernistic Church architecture to people clapping and talking to mundane homilies. Sometimes no different from Protestant “services” reduced to a weekly social gathering. However, at the end of the day, at the center of our Church is the Eucharist, the Mass, and the Nicene Creed. The rest is all bearable.
That being said Vatican II was a disaster only because it allowed for “liberal” forms of teaching and rituals. Ecumenism has been a failure because of irreconcilable differences.
Unlike other heresies, Hillaire Belloc referred to Protestantism as having spawned a “cluster of heresies,” and so it has been. The sheer beauty of the Catholic Mass is not only the “perfect prayer” (Cardinal Newman and Pope Paul VI) but the celebration of the Eucharist as the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Christ that is a daily miracle as the stigmatist Saint Fr. Padre Pio experienced.
Yes, I'm afraid that's part of the plan: infiltrate academia, both major political parties, unions and the churches. They've succeeded.
That's why I left the church - things are so awful by me that I now have serious doubts about the beneficial value of the Eucharist. I wish this were not the case, but I'm seeing a negative correlation between the frequency that a person participates in the sacrament of Communion and the amount of vile (yet sanctimoniously executed) actions taken by them.So are you referring to daily Mass Catholics when you say "frequency"? If so, are these same Catholics in line for Confession? How often do you see them praying before the Blessed Sacrament or in the Adoration Chapels? How often do you see them praying the Rosary? The Eucharist is not very powerful, if the recipient has mortal sin on their soul. The Eucharist is not very powerful, if the person receiving is otherwise distracted from the whole of its Good.
You are kind of leaving out all those “go and sin no more” verses.
In addition there is the matter of secret sins about which the veracity may be in doubt ... and sins flaunted unrepentantly for all to see. What does scripure say in the latter instances? It is not as if this were unaddressed.
Go back and read a bit more.
we had nuns in nun outfits....
we had processions all the time...and in May we did special devotions to Mary...
we sang simple nice music, but definately not the kumbaya stuff around now...
the old Catholic church was built aroung the family.....all those huge families after WW2...we had cyo basketball...we had church choir picnics...we had blue and gold dinners for our parish boy scout troop...
it was all good...a wonderful time to be a kid...
now....there is little fellowship...at least not like before...we don't know what we believe....we think we need to "reach" out to every pervert and not be judgemental on abortion and birth control and especially, we don't encourage large families....no, not that...we couldn't have large families...
large families is what the Catholic church in America was all about and now its just a moot point...
That is the kind of testimony that is censored, but as i have said before, if the Eucharist were regulated by the FDA as a health supplement, the claims made for it could be cited as false advertizingSince when did the FDA know anything about what makes one healthy? All they do is provide stuff to mask symptoms, and kill [bad with good] bacteria. And they could never measure the power in the Eucharist anyway. As non-believers receive zilch.
But, unless we have Jesus, we cannot give Him; that is why we need the Eucharist. Spend as much time as possible in front of the Blessed Sacrament and He will fill you with His strength and His power. --Mother Teresa of Calcutta, 7-15-96Amen!
My husband grew up in a very Catholic community. He went to a Catholic grade school through 8th grade. Unfortunately, the local Catholic Church had few activities for the young people. My husband had lots of friends in high school and was regularly invited to attend Luther League events. The Lutheran college, only 15 miles away, offered summer courses for high school students. My husband attended one and liked the college so much that he applied there and was accepted. That’s where he met me - a life long Lutheran. His priest’s greatest fear was realized. :-)
So my dear husband has been a Lutheran for many years. I think he may have left the Catholic Church on his own, based on issues he has had with it over the years. But it was the outreach of the Lutheran Church with first drew him away.
There will always be wolves in sheep's clothing. The battle for the soul of the Church ebbs and flows. We're probably at a low spot now.
But I like what Mother Angelica said about this. Paraphrasing: "I wouldn't want to live at any other time. We have a chance to exercise heroic virtue."
If we could all be like Mother Angelica.
It all boils down to “Sin begets sin.”
What do you think you're showing Christ Our Lord by disrespecting and boycotting His blessed Sacraments? By not receiving,you're accomplishing --- what?
Reminds me of an old, old joke. A chestnut, I'll admit:
He: I'm not going to your church, Marge. Your church is full of hypocrites.
She: Aw, c'mon. There's always room for one more.
Which is a perfectly logical thing for an atheist to say. But you claim to be a Christian, don't you? If you do, then the only meaningful question is, "Is the Eucharist Jesus, or isn't it?". About that question, the government has absolutely nothing of value to say.
Doctrinal differences here.
The more I read of Scripture, the bigger difference between it and the teachings of the Catholic church I saw.
It finally reached a breaking point and the Word of God won out.
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