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Vanishing Catholics
hprweb ^ | December 23, 2013 | FR. WILLIAM P. CLARK, OMI

Posted on 12/28/2013 3:59:04 PM PST by NYer

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To: snowstorm12
I can definitely see why religion is unappealing to women and women are leaving in droves. The only women who go to church are really old, like some of my aunts in their 60’s.

Ouch!

Who let this youngster in at Free Republic? :)
21 posted on 12/28/2013 4:56:05 PM PST by mlizzy ("If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic Adoration, abortion would be ended." --Mother Teresa)
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To: Tax-chick; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; smvoice; Greetings_Puny_Humans; ...
I don’t have complaints about the Church.

An all too typical state of cecity seen here .

22 posted on 12/28/2013 5:00:18 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: NYer
In any case, given the variety of reasons for people leaving the Church, the degree of separation, and especially assuming good will on the part of those leaving, it is difficult to classify them as heretics or schismatics

Being called heretics or schismatics would be mild language for many RCs on FR. But the charge is mutual btwn Scripture Christians and RCs.

23 posted on 12/28/2013 5:01:23 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: NYer

I see several very clear, distinct reason for those who before called themselves Catholics to no longer do so.

The largest, single reason is that these were CINOs, Catholics in Name Only, who were only socially aligned with Catholicism. Where they had lived the church effectively ruled over them, dominating the government, the police, and all the good jobs. It even after a fashion dominated the criminal element. The ticket to anything was that a person had to call themselves a Catholic and be affiliated with a parish.

When this social omnipotence of the church ended, so did any reason the CINOs had to be anything other than nominal members.

The second biggest reason was Vatican II. To traditional, conservative Catholics, it felt like a betrayal at the top.

I got to see what happened when a church in Phoenix was again allowed to conduct a Latin Mass. Catholics who had not been to church since Vatican II *had* to return. The first two rows of pews were filled with aged invalids, some on death’s door. Standing room only in that large church, with floor fans because of the heat of so many crowded together. A few elderly people carried icons of their deceased spouses.

These were people who felt the church had deserted them. They wanted their religion back, not whatever trendy ideas were popular for the moment.


24 posted on 12/28/2013 5:02:17 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Last Obamacare Promise: "If You Like Your Eternal Soul, You Can Keep It.")
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To: Yossarian
I now have serious doubts about the beneficial value of the Eucharist. I wish this were not the case, but I'm seeing a negative correlation between the frequency that a person participates in the sacrament of Communion and the amount of vile (yet sanctimoniously executed) actions taken by them.

That is the kind of testimony that is censored, but as i have said before, if the Eucharist were regulated by the FDA as a health supplement, the claims made for it could be cited as false advertizing

25 posted on 12/28/2013 5:04:38 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Ghost of SVR4

Why let lukewarm Catholics designate whether you receive the Body of Christ or not? You’re extending to them too much power.


26 posted on 12/28/2013 5:06:44 PM PST by mlizzy ("If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic Adoration, abortion would be ended." --Mother Teresa)
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To: NYer
Questions naturally arise. What has caused such a massive defection? How might one account for this phenomenon? It hardly seems possible that any single factor could explain a phenomenon of such magnitude.


27 posted on 12/28/2013 5:12:38 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: snowstorm12

What kind of church was that?


28 posted on 12/28/2013 5:15:09 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Tax-chick

True. Complaints we all have from every angle: from modernistic Church architecture to people clapping and talking to mundane homilies. Sometimes no different from Protestant “services” reduced to a weekly social gathering. However, at the end of the day, at the center of our Church is the Eucharist, the Mass, and the Nicene Creed. The rest is all bearable.

That being said Vatican II was a disaster only because it allowed for “liberal” forms of teaching and rituals. Ecumenism has been a failure because of irreconcilable differences.

Unlike other heresies, Hillaire Belloc referred to Protestantism as having spawned a “cluster of heresies,” and so it has been. The sheer beauty of the Catholic Mass is not only the “perfect prayer” (Cardinal Newman and Pope Paul VI) but the celebration of the Eucharist as the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Christ that is a daily miracle as the stigmatist Saint Fr. Padre Pio experienced.


29 posted on 12/28/2013 5:23:13 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: I cannot think of a name
starting in the late 1960’s the Church was hijacked by some kind of ultra liberal nincompoops

Yes, I'm afraid that's part of the plan: infiltrate academia, both major political parties, unions and the churches. They've succeeded.

30 posted on 12/28/2013 5:23:16 PM PST by Salvey
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To: Yossarian
That's why I left the church - things are so awful by me that I now have serious doubts about the beneficial value of the Eucharist. I wish this were not the case, but I'm seeing a negative correlation between the frequency that a person participates in the sacrament of Communion and the amount of vile (yet sanctimoniously executed) actions taken by them.
So are you referring to daily Mass Catholics when you say "frequency"? If so, are these same Catholics in line for Confession? How often do you see them praying before the Blessed Sacrament or in the Adoration Chapels? How often do you see them praying the Rosary? The Eucharist is not very powerful, if the recipient has mortal sin on their soul. The Eucharist is not very powerful, if the person receiving is otherwise distracted from the whole of its Good.
31 posted on 12/28/2013 5:25:06 PM PST by mlizzy ("If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic Adoration, abortion would be ended." --Mother Teresa)
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To: NYer

You are kind of leaving out all those “go and sin no more” verses.

In addition there is the matter of secret sins about which the veracity may be in doubt ... and sins flaunted unrepentantly for all to see. What does scripure say in the latter instances? It is not as if this were unaddressed.

Go back and read a bit more.


32 posted on 12/28/2013 5:31:24 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: NYer
the Catholic church I remember had very respected youthful priests with the one older pastor overseeing them all....

we had nuns in nun outfits....

we had processions all the time...and in May we did special devotions to Mary...

we sang simple nice music, but definately not the kumbaya stuff around now...

the old Catholic church was built aroung the family.....all those huge families after WW2...we had cyo basketball...we had church choir picnics...we had blue and gold dinners for our parish boy scout troop...

it was all good...a wonderful time to be a kid...

now....there is little fellowship...at least not like before...we don't know what we believe....we think we need to "reach" out to every pervert and not be judgemental on abortion and birth control and especially, we don't encourage large families....no, not that...we couldn't have large families...

large families is what the Catholic church in America was all about and now its just a moot point...

33 posted on 12/28/2013 5:33:24 PM PST by cherry (.in the time of universal deceit, telling the truth is revolutionary.....)
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To: daniel1212
That is the kind of testimony that is censored, but as i have said before, if the Eucharist were regulated by the FDA as a health supplement, the claims made for it could be cited as false advertizing
Since when did the FDA know anything about what makes one healthy? All they do is provide stuff to mask symptoms, and kill [bad with good] bacteria. And they could never measure the power in the Eucharist anyway. As non-believers receive zilch.
But, unless we have Jesus, we cannot give Him; that is why we need the Eucharist. Spend as much time as possible in front of the Blessed Sacrament and He will fill you with His strength and His power. --Mother Teresa of Calcutta, 7-15-96
Amen!
34 posted on 12/28/2013 5:39:18 PM PST by mlizzy ("If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic Adoration, abortion would be ended." --Mother Teresa)
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To: NYer

My husband grew up in a very Catholic community. He went to a Catholic grade school through 8th grade. Unfortunately, the local Catholic Church had few activities for the young people. My husband had lots of friends in high school and was regularly invited to attend Luther League events. The Lutheran college, only 15 miles away, offered summer courses for high school students. My husband attended one and liked the college so much that he applied there and was accepted. That’s where he met me - a life long Lutheran. His priest’s greatest fear was realized. :-)

So my dear husband has been a Lutheran for many years. I think he may have left the Catholic Church on his own, based on issues he has had with it over the years. But it was the outreach of the Lutheran Church with first drew him away.


35 posted on 12/28/2013 5:40:20 PM PST by ConstantSkeptic (Be careful about preconceptions)
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To: Salvey
Yes, I'm afraid that's part of the plan: infiltrate academia, both major political parties, unions and the churches. They've succeeded.

There will always be wolves in sheep's clothing. The battle for the soul of the Church ebbs and flows. We're probably at a low spot now.

But I like what Mother Angelica said about this. Paraphrasing: "I wouldn't want to live at any other time. We have a chance to exercise heroic virtue."

If we could all be like Mother Angelica.

36 posted on 12/28/2013 5:40:47 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: NYer

It all boils down to “Sin begets sin.”


37 posted on 12/28/2013 5:41:44 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG ...)
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To: Ghost of SVR4
Not trying to be mean, but just to fathom the logic: apparently you wouldn't have gotten along with Jesus and the Apostles? Jesus didn't even kick out Judas.

What do you think you're showing Christ Our Lord by disrespecting and boycotting His blessed Sacraments? By not receiving,you're accomplishing --- what?

Reminds me of an old, old joke. A chestnut, I'll admit:

He: I'm not going to your church, Marge. Your church is full of hypocrites.

She: Aw, c'mon. There's always room for one more.


38 posted on 12/28/2013 5:51:53 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (What does the LORD require of you, but to act justly, to love tenderly, to walk humbly with your God)
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To: daniel1212
as i have said before, if the Eucharist were regulated by the FDA as a health supplement, the claims made for it could be cited as false advertizing

Which is a perfectly logical thing for an atheist to say. But you claim to be a Christian, don't you? If you do, then the only meaningful question is, "Is the Eucharist Jesus, or isn't it?". About that question, the government has absolutely nothing of value to say.

39 posted on 12/28/2013 5:54:27 PM PST by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: NYer

Doctrinal differences here.

The more I read of Scripture, the bigger difference between it and the teachings of the Catholic church I saw.

It finally reached a breaking point and the Word of God won out.


40 posted on 12/28/2013 5:56:26 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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