Posted on 11/11/2013 3:31:57 PM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman
There is certainly no evidence of discernment...Appears they don't even know what they are reading; they just copy and paste from myriads of apologetics put out by their religion...
That one is clear. The Scriptural evidence especially in Acts is believers were water baptized. Believers did it and did it gladly. Faith is dynamic; action. Faith in Messiah is an active faith. Why Acts is called what it is.
Forgot this in the last post. Paul again on the Gospel. I will note he goes into detail on the resurrection spanning back to a LITERAL Genesis account to provide context:
1 Corinthians 15:1-19 NASB
Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that He appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep; then He appeared to James, then to all the apostles; and last of all, as to one untimely born, He appeared to me also.
For I am the least of the apostles, and not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me did not prove vain; but I labored even more than all of them, yet not I, but the grace of God with me. Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed. Now if Christ is preached, that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised; and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain.
Moreover we are even found to be false witnesses of God, because we testified against God that He raised Christ, whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised; and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. If we have hoped in Christ in this life only, we are of all men most to be pitied.
Matthew 24:22 AND except those days (of Daniel) be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.
The subject is the tribulation which many claim will be for a 7 year time was shortened. And there is no higher authority to make such claim than Christ Himself.
All souls/spirit intellect at the end of their flesh journey return to the Maker that sent them. (Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God Who gave it.)
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but He That came down from heaven, even the Son of man Which is in heaven.
This flesh journey which begins at conception and ends with the death of the flesh is where in faith salvation is offered.
Worshiping a counterfeit Jesus will not save and causes some to miss out on that spiritual wedding. Paul says Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep (flesh dies), but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST trump: (there are 7 trumps) for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed ........
All souls/spirit intellect created in the beginning are still alive. Some are still walking this earth in flesh bodies and the rest have returned to the Maker that sent them.
Christ told us what to expect when He allowed the devil to tempt Him. Christ was in no way tempted, He showed us what to expect, the method of operation of the devil who is the only named entity in the WORD already judged and waiting for a death sentence. Hebrews 2:14.
The devil did not swing a sword he tried to present himself as ‘God’.
Well for the time being, no matter how far astray the pope (generic term for role played, not in reference to any specific individual) is from the Words of Christ, he is very limited in power to mesmerize/deceive the whole world.
The whole world will worship him/devil, except for the 'elect'. No flesh being ever born of woman has presented the charisma to join together all religious belief systems. The devil will not be presented in a flesh body, but in 'supernatural' looking like Jesus, performing miracles to the whole world...
The deception is the belief that devil is Jesus/Savior in whatever religion practiced on this earth in these times. This to God is likened to adultery/fornication/idolatry in spiritual terms.
"How many divisions does the pope have?"
Don't forget there will be a FALSE prophet leading the religions the way to this anti-Christ...He will be an Ecumenical false prophet trying to bring all religions to the one, true Church...
That took 2 days, yet you are still simply avoiding the question, as in fact you are speaking for yourself on this issue.
So once again, since you invoke the magisterium and historical views in rejecting what i said as private interpretation, then where is your denial of the regeneration of Cornelius and co. before baptism officially and historically taught?
And why do you deny this regeneration unless you deny regeneration can take place before baptism?
Do not bother to reply until you can provide this. Refusal to do is an admission of private interpretation by yourself.
So the Salt Lake City Mormon "prophet" knew in advance about the Phillippines catastrophe...and the he said nothing to warn them?
Hebrews 1:1-2: In the past...
Interpretation: Uh, Stormie, past = "past" (as in what was "past" prior to Hebrews 1 being authored)
Hebrews 1:1-2, Cont'd: God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but...
Interpretation: "but" Stormie means the author is about to "intro" something in contrast...as in "something new":
Hebrews 1:2, Cont'd: but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son...
Interpretation: "Last days" = the time since Christ appearing as the Living Revelation of God Himself...something that somebody claiming to be a "Latter-day Saint" shouldn't have to be given a plain-word meaning scolding.
"spoken" = The Son of God IS the speaker. Not some mere man who resides in Salt Lake City. Nope, the Speaker is none other than the Son of God.
So the next question is ... did Jesus simply disappear from the scene? Is He no longer present?
Jesus, Matthew 28:20: "And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age. (Matthew 28:20)
So, Stormie, tell us: Is this Living Prophet of Hebrews 1:1-2 no longer (if He ever was) with the Mormons?
Hebrews 7:23-24: 23 Now there have been many of those priests, since death prevented them from continuing in office; 24 but BECAUSE Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. (Hebrews 7:23-24)
(Perhaps Mormons need to take the book of Hebrews a bit more seriously)
Smvoice, All: Whenever a Mormon, say, like StormPrepper, uses the words "eternal life"...ask him/her to define them.
Here's a link that uses Mormon leaders themselves re: how they define "eternal life":
THE TOP TEN MOST SURPRISING 'MORMON TEACHINGS' ABOUT MORMON HEAVEN and AFTER-LIFE [Vanity]: #5: "Eternal life" is redefined to be an exclusive term that applies to temple Mormons ONLY! "Eternal life" is thus reserved for legalistically abiding Mormons ONLY. "Eternal life" does NOT = ALL living forever with Heavenly Father; 'tis ONLY applies for those who EARN exaltation...and "exaltation" is a Mormon by-word for becoming a god! Hence, to the Mormon, resurrection alone does not = eternal life.
In the chart provided at the above link, the second column provides FIVE distinct Mormon sources undergirding what is written.
Thanks very much for the info. I’m not at all well read on Mormon doctrine. But from what little I do know, I think it’s just enough to let me know I don’t want to go there!
Exactly.
And...any investigators out there who eventually read this: Stay away from Mormonism.
Run away. Fast.
I'll tell you, when I heard the Mormon woman's ideal is to be eternally pregnant by "God" (her husband), that sealed it for me. That alone would be enough to send me screaming, running in the other direction as fast as I could.
You got that right, sister! No how, no way, no deal.:)
You can either take it on faith because Jesus said so, or rely on your feelings because you have a burning in your bosom.
There are things for that.
In a strip mall that burned in Nashville, Indiana a few years back, there was a fortune teller's shop.
Yeah; you guessed it.
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