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12 Sept 1683: The Battle of Vienna continues
WDTPRS ^ | 9/12/2013 | Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

Posted on 09/12/2013 6:22:49 AM PDT by markomalley

The Holy Roman Empire and the Ottoman Empire were at war.  Vienna had been under siege for months.  On 11 September a coalition of Christian forces, a Holy League blessed by Bl. Pope Innocent XI, arrived with Jan III Sobieski, King of Poland, to lift the siege.

When he saw that the Turks were about to breach the walls of the city, Sobieski attacked earlier than he had intended.

On 12 September at 4 am the battle was closed.   Sobieski had called on the protection of Our Lady of Czestochowa before the battle.

He sent his forces of 81,000 against the Turks’ 130,000.  In the afternoon Sobieski led a downhill charge which broke the Turkish line and then seized the abandoned tent of the Ottoman general who had fled.

The Battle of Vienna halted the spread of the Ottoman Empire eastward into the rest of Europe.

Bl. Innocent XI commemorated the victory at Vienna by extending the Feast of the Holy Name of Mary, which had been observed in Spain and by the Carmelites, to the whole Latin Church.  One of the pair of churches in Rome near the Forum of Trajan is dedicated to the Name of Mary.

Today is the Feast of the Holy Name of Mary, which in part commemorates the defeat of the Islamist Ottoman Turks by Jan Sobieski at the walls of Vienna.

Concede, quaesumus, omnipotens Deus: ut fideles tui, qui sub sanctissimae Virginis Mariae Nomine et protectione laetantur; eius pia intercessione a cunctis malis liberentur in terris, et ad gaudia aeterna pervenire mereantur in coelis.

Perhaps you readers can offer your accurate yet smooth versions.

Holy Mary, Mother of God…

Sts. Nunilo and Alodia…


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1 posted on 09/12/2013 6:22:49 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

Jan III Sobieski arrived at Vienna on 9/11. Hmmmm.


2 posted on 09/12/2013 6:26:46 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (The IRS--a softer Gestapo)
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To: Former Proud Canadian; markomalley
The Polish Hussars~!

The Battle of Vienna was incredible, real life is always more interesting than fiction.


3 posted on 09/12/2013 6:30:29 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: markomalley

As Napoleon once said, “If your objective is to take Vienna, then take Vienna.”..................


4 posted on 09/12/2013 6:40:42 AM PDT by Red Badger (It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong. .....Voltaire)
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To: markomalley
12 Sept 1683: The Battle of Vienna continues

5 posted on 09/12/2013 6:50:47 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: markomalley
12 Sept 1683: The Battle of Vienna continues
September 12: The Most Holy Name of Mary and ...
Catholic Devotional: Feast of the Holy Name of Mary
A Homily on the Feast of the Most Holy Name of Mary
Catholic Caucus: Mary, The Power of Her Name [The Most Holy Name of the Blessed Virgin Mary]
6 posted on 09/12/2013 6:52:00 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: KC_Lion

Lancers against unformed infantry was a bad, bad deal for infantry, before firearms.


7 posted on 09/12/2013 6:55:17 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

Thanks markomalley.
On 11 September a coalition of Christian forces... arrived with Jan III Sobieski, King of Poland, to lift the siege. When he saw that the Turks were about to breach the walls of the city, Sobieski attacked earlier than he had intended... He sent his forces of 81,000 against the Turks' 130,000. In the afternoon [of the 12th] Sobieski led a downhill charge which broke the Turkish line and then seized the abandoned tent of the Ottoman general who had fled...

8 posted on 09/12/2013 6:56:58 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: markomalley
In the afternoon Sobieski led a downhill charge which broke the Turkish line
and then seized the abandoned tent of the Ottoman general who had fled.

The Battle of Vienna halted the spread of the Ottoman Empire eastward
into the rest of Europe.

"Always seize the ground Favorable for your needs (high ground)"....Sun Tzu...
while pResident 0'Buttplug; can't even find his @$$ or the high ground.

9 posted on 09/12/2013 7:01:34 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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To: markomalley

Interesting news feed for remembrance of 9/11

Gates of Vienna News Feed 9/11/2013

http://gatesofvienna.net/

At least they recognized the number of bikers in DC yesterday. Unlike the MSM.


10 posted on 09/12/2013 7:01:55 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: FreedomPoster
Lancers against unformed infantry was a bad, bad deal for infantry, before firearms.

Well.......


11 posted on 09/12/2013 7:03:53 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: FreedomPoster

The Siege of Vienna was not before firearms. Matchlock guns and cannon had been in use for over two centuries, and the flintlock had been invented about sixty years earlier. And the Turks went in for firearms in a big way.

However, I don’t think the Turks had ever taken up the pike-and-musket square which most European powers in that era had used to nullify the advantage of cavalry (hedgehog of pikes pointing outward with musketeers firing outward from between the pikemen), and Sobieski had the advantage of attacking an army engaged in a siege, rather than drawn up for battle.


12 posted on 09/12/2013 7:13:05 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: The_Reader_David; KC_Lion

Yes, I’m still waking up. I should have said before modern firearms.

Lancers were still very effective against unformed infantry through the Napoleonic period. It took rifled weapons and the Minié ball to give infantry firearms the range to really make themselves almost impossible for cavalry to deal with. And then the lever-action repeater really was the death knell for cavalry in other than a dragoon (mounted infantry) and scouting role.


13 posted on 09/12/2013 7:20:25 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: SunkenCiv

Wow! So, this is an anniversary date. Pretty cool.


14 posted on 09/12/2013 8:00:17 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Let me hear what God the LORD will speak. -Ps85)
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To: markomalley

Holy Mary, Mother of God…

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Pray for us who have recourse to thee.


15 posted on 09/12/2013 8:00:55 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Let me hear what God the LORD will speak. -Ps85)
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To: markomalley

Different battle: Son and I were watching high-def Syrian Army tank/Rebel battle videos last night. Both sides were blowing the hell out of each other and the surrounding neighborhoods where complete rubble.

We both had a simultaneous conclusion that this is the same damn war they’ve been fighting for 1000 years only the weapons have changed.

There is no possible way to have peace with Islam. IF the muzzies agree to peace it’s only to give themselves time to re-supply before attacking again.


16 posted on 09/12/2013 9:44:58 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Tagline: (optional, printed after your name on post))
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To: Rebelbase

I was listening to a podcast on Ghenghis Khan. I had no idea that he obliterated the muslims in 1219.


17 posted on 09/12/2013 10:03:38 AM PDT by MattinNJ (It's over Johnny. The America you knew is gone. Denial serves no purpose.)
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To: MattinNJ

Ghengis Khan leveled a city in one of the ‘stans that refused to yield then had one of his son’s chase its escaping Emir hundreds of miles across Iran. The Emir managed to stay one day ahead and wasn’t in the clear until he got a boat and headed out into the Caspian sea only hours before the Mongols arrived at the shore.


18 posted on 09/12/2013 10:16:12 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Tagline: (optional, printed after your name on post))
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To: Former Proud Canadian

At the National Shrine in D.C., there is a chapel dedicated to Our Lady of Poland and there is a tapistry of Jan III Sobieski and September 12, 1683.


19 posted on 09/12/2013 12:04:59 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Bigg Red

It was one of the first class battles of all time, not merely due to the outcome.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna

The battle started before all units were fully deployed. Early in the morning, at 4h, the Ottomans attacked, seeking to interfere with the deployment of the Holy League troops. Charles of Lorraine moved forward with the Imperial army on the left and the other Holy Roman Empire forces in the center.

Mustafa Pasha launched a counter-attack with most of his force, but held back some of the elite Janissary and Sipahi units for a simultaneous assault on the city. The Ottoman commanders had intended to take Vienna before Sobieski arrived, but time ran out. Their sappers had prepared another large and final detonation under the Löbelbastei, to breach the walls. While the Ottomans hastily finished their work and sealed the tunnel to make the explosion more effective, the Viennese “moles” detected the tunnel in the afternoon. One of them entered and defused the load just in time.

At that time, above the “subterranean battlefield”, a large battle was going on, as the Polish infantry launched a massive assault upon the Ottoman right flank. Instead of focusing on the battle with the relief army, the Ottomans continued their efforts to force their way into the city.

There was a moment during the battle where Kara Mustafa personally ordered the execution of 30,000 Christian hostages.

After twelve hours of fighting, the Poles held the high ground on the right. On the flanks, it is recorded that out of the forest the Polish cavalry slowly emerged and received a cheer from the onlooking infantry who had been anticipating their arrival. The Holy League cavalry waited on the hills, and watched the infantry battle for the whole day. At about 17h, the Polish King ordered the cavalry attack in four groups, one of the Holy Roman Empire and three Polish. Twenty thousand horsemen charged down the hills (the largest cavalry charge in history). Jan III Sobieski led the charge at the head of 3,000 Polish heavy lancers, the famed “Winged Hussars”. The Lipka Tatars who fought on the Polish side wore a sprig of straw in their helmets to distinguish themselves from the Tatars fighting on the Ottoman side. The charge broke the lines of the Ottomans, who were tired from the long fight on two sides. In the confusion, the cavalry headed straight for the Ottoman camps, while the remaining Vienna garrison sallied out of its defenses and joined in the assault.

The Ottoman troops were tired and dispirited following the failure of both the sapping attempt and the brute force assault on the city. The arrival of the cavalry turned the tide of battle against them, sending them into retreat to the south and east. In less than three hours after the cavalry attack, the Christian forces had won the battle and saved Vienna.

After the battle, Sobieski paraphrased Julius Caesar’s famous quote (Veni, vidi, vici) by saying “Venimus, Vidimus, Deus vincit” – “We came, We saw, God conquered”.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Battle-of-Vienna/102289036491517


20 posted on 09/12/2013 12:38:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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