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To: paladinan; CynicalBear; metmom
First of all, you show a GREAT ignorance of the meaning of 2 Peter 3:15-18. It must be something your church gave you their "infallible" definition of. It doesn't even come close, paladinan.

Second, you said "God gave NO ONE (including you) an infallible ability to know positively what every last word, phrase and section of Scripture says...". Does that include your "infallible" magistrates and pope? Last time I checked they were part of NO ONE. Unless they have recently over-ridden God and declared they were SOME ONE. I ask you for SCRIPTURE to PROVE your point. You give me Councils of MEN, INFALLIBLE MEN to "prove" your point. Not good enough.

The ONLY thing I truly believe that the Catholic Church is solely responsible for is writing the Apocrypha. I DO believe your church ancestors wrote it. WHY? Because it is so full of deceit, lies, half-truths, tall tales, and nonsense it could only have come from a group of self-appointed "infallible wise men" playing Ouija Board to come up with their doctrines of "faith"...for the "faithful".

455 posted on 08/28/2013 2:37:46 PM PDT by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing are for an eternity..)
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To: smvoice
"God gave NO ONE (including you) an infallible ability to know positively what every last word, phrase and section of Scripture says...".

Oh, but He did!!

Why; that is what our beloved Magisterium group does!

They study, pray, study, pray, study, pray and then VOTE.

--Catholic_wannabe_Dude(And whichever bunch has the most votes; by gum; that's the INFALLIBITY!!)

520 posted on 08/28/2013 3:34:29 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: paladinan; metmom; CynicalBear; Elsie
Paladinan, 2 Peter simply cannot be understood unless you truly have God's Spirit in you. And you can't understand that until you understand 2 Tim. 2:15.

And you can't understand that until the Holy Spirit guides you in truth and righteousness found in His Word.

And you can't understand that until you are saved.

And you can't understand that until you are reconciled to God.

And you can't understand that until you accept the FINISHED WORK of Christ for your salvation.

And you can't understand that until you realize that your own works of righteousness will NEVER be enough to get you over the finish line.

And you can't understand that until you accept the fact that that is EXACTLY what your church teaches as the "Gospel".

And you can't understand that until you realize that is a lie.

And you can't understand that until you are guided by truth and true righteousness found in His Word. Not the fallible edicts from a bunch of fallible men.

And the circle goes on and on...

You're on a ferris wheel of deceit. I'm sure it's very entertaining, and you're having a great time, and you think you can see forever, and you never want it to end. But it eventually ends for all of us. Either you will stop it yourself by DEMANDING to be let off, or God will stop it for you when you die.

I pray you will yell at the top of your lungs "STOP! I want off NOW!" And run to God's Word to 2 Cor. 5:14-21. Your salvation is to be found there.

I will leave you alone now. I've said my peace and counted to three...

524 posted on 08/28/2013 3:43:06 PM PDT by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing are for an eternity..)
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