Posted on 08/27/2013 11:53:37 AM PDT by NYer
Nonsense.
Nobody ever gave anyone such a guarantee.
And considering the lifestyle that seems to characterize most of the RC clergy for most of its history, double nonsense.
You don't know Jack about science. "Virgin" births are incredibly rare but they do occur in nature. The offspring is always female and they rarely are able to gestate to full term, but they do occur.
BB you see the trinity only because the Catholic Church defined it for you. If you are intellectually honest when you look at each of the verses you can just as easily see three separate entities, much like the Greek or Roman Pantheon.
Wow!
I’ve been offline for 3 days and this thing just keeps on going!
%00 more to read?
I think not!
Please show where you got the scientific evidence for that please.
http://leahlefler.hubpages.com/hub/Parthenogenesis-Virgin-Births-in-Nature
http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/19555550
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenogenesis
Further proof (As if we actually need it)that a home school education is an incomplete on.
This is the part wehre all three of you admit your error. I don't beleive that any of you have the personal integrity to, but I would love to be surprised.
Well one thing IS clear...You DO know Jack...
I didn’t say the Holy Spirt just inspires the Apostles. But Christ prayed for the Apostles in a special way as the leaders of his Church and promised he would not leave them rudderless. He promised them the Holy Spirit would continue to guide His Church. Obviously, the KJV of the Bible would downplay that.
The Holy Spirit touches us all, of course, but guides the Church leaders in a unique way. Only Catholics trace their roots back to the original 11 Apostles. Other religions started some time later: directly opposing Christ’s wish for his Church to stay unified. Catholicism is the most Biblically accurate religion there is... which makes sense since it was the only one instituted by Christ Himself. We trace our leadership right back to Peter, Christ’s bedrock foundation.
We also don’t pick and choose between the easy Scripture and the difficult. We take all of it as Christ’s word. He said we must eat His flesh and drink His blood, and that’s just what we do in the Eucharist. It was too hard a teaching for the weak then, and it’s too hard a teaching for the weak now. Christ lets them go. He meant everything He said!
Protestantism is the LEAST unified religion on the planet. That alone indicates it is not Christ’s Church. Every 3 seconds, a new Billy Bob decides he’s got a better personal interpretation of Scripture and starts a church. I would never put my soul in the hands of any religion that was not unified, holy, and anciently Apostolic. It flies in the face of Christ’s own Holy Spirit-inspired Scripture.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
You earned one too...
Good catch...I didn't realize that as I typed it...
You guys keep proving this is just a meaningless cliche'...
I didn’t say the Holy Spirt just inspires the Apostles. But Christ prayed for the Apostles in a special way as the leaders of his Church and promised he would not leave them rudderless. He promised them the Holy Spirit would continue to guide His Church.
The Holy Spirit touches us all, of course, but guides the Church leaders in a unique way.
Apparently you boldly deny that the average Catholic is indwelt with the Holy Spirit in spite of all the scripture posted in this thread...
I can understand a religion teaching this apostasy but I can not fathom people believing it especially when a bible is available to them...
Document that this is taught in public schools.
And he's going to what? Leave the rest of us to flounder? He gives the Holy Spirit to all believers and since it's the same Holy Spirit, none of us are left rudderless.
John 17:9-26 9 I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours. 10 All mine are yours, and yours are mine, and I am glorified in them. 11 And I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them in your name, which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are one. 12 While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.
13 But now I am coming to you, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have my joy fulfilled in themselves. 14 I have given them your word, and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 15 I do not ask that you take them out of the world, but that you keep them from the evil one. 16 They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth. 18 As you sent me into the world, so I have sent them into the world. 19 And for their sake I consecrate myself, that they also may be sanctified in truth.
20 “I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word,21 that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, 23 I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me.
24 Father, I desire that they also, whom you have given me, may be with me where I am, to see my glory that you have given me because you loved me before the foundation of the world. 25 O righteous Father, even though the world does not know you, I know you, and these know that you have sent me. 26 I made known to them your name, and I will continue to make it known, that the love with which you have loved me may be in them, and I in them.”
Well, let’s see what your credibility is. This from the KJV.
Acts 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Shizam! There goes your credibility. You really should do just a little research before making comments. Especially if you’re going to attempt snide. Makes ya look bad.
>> The Holy Spirit touches us all, of course, but guides the Church leaders in a unique way. Only Catholics trace their roots back to the original 11 Apostles.<<
Seriously dude! You need to do your research. Acts 15:8 wasn’t talking about “church leaders”. What part of no difference between us and them” do you not understand? That RCC that you brag about has lied to you big time.
>> Catholicism is the most Biblically accurate religion there is..<<
ROFL! Just that one verse shows they are not “accurate”. It’s ironic that it was Peter who inspired by the Holy Spirit said those words. The very apostle the RCC claims to follow can’t even tell the truth about what the Holy Spirit said through Peter.
>>We trace our leadership right back to Peter<<
ROFLOL!!! Yer killin me here! Peter said no difference between us and them” and you want me to believe the RCC follows Peter? Seriously?
You can repeat all the propaganda lines (aka lies) from the RCC you want but don’t expect those who follow scripture rather than some men in pointy Dagon the fish god priest hats to fall for those lines (aka lies).
>> We take all of it as Christ’s word.<<
Give me a break. Catholics don’t even take the Holy Spirit’s words through Peter from Acts 15:8. Don’t expect us to believe they take anything else from scripture over what they make up.
Well, let’s see if we were in error or not first shall we?
Parthenogenetic offspring in species that use either the XY or the X0 sex-determination system have two X chromosomes and are female. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenogenesis]
Looks like you have just proved youreself wrong again. Notice that if they get all of their DNA from the female they are female? Jesus was male. Ooops. Seems you have shown documentation that desproves what you said about Jesus getting all His DNA from Mary.
This is the point where you really need to admit your statement about Jesus getting all His DNA from Mary had to be incorrect. I would hope you have the personal integrity but I probably won’t be surprised.
That is where I learned it 30+ years ago in New York and we teach it here in Va and I live in a rural district.
Now please demonstrate the tiniest amount of Christian charity and integrity and admit that I was correct.
I would say that matches up quite nicely.
Still waiting on you three to admit your error.I won't hold my breath.
I shall pray for you.
Your posts here and for years have been an inspiration to me.
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