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Sainthood [Drudge Headline-Pope John Paul II]
DrudgeReport ^ | 7/5/2013 | Drudge

Posted on 07/05/2013 5:24:31 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross

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                                                                   SAINTHOOD


TOPICS: Current Events; History
KEYWORDS: johnpaulii; pope; sainthood

1 posted on 07/05/2013 5:24:31 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross
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2 posted on 07/05/2013 5:24:53 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Servant of the Cross
Late Pope John Paul II to get sainthood, Vatican says"

Rome (CNN) -- The Roman Catholic Church will declare the late Pope John Paul II a saint, the Vatican announced Friday.

Pope Francis signed the decree Friday morning, the Vatican said. John Paul was pope from 1978 until his death in 2005, and was in a way the first rock star pontiff, drawing vast crowds as he criss-crossed the globe.

At his funeral, thousands of pilgrims gathered in St. Peter's Square and chanted "Santo Subito" -- Sainthood Now! The Polish-born pope was fast-tracked to beatification and became "the blessed" John Paul II barely six years after his death, the fastest beatification in centuries.

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3 posted on 07/05/2013 5:30:57 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: onyx

Loved JP, don’t believe in instant canonization. Should Willie McGee be in baseball’s Hall of Fame?
Was JP a transcendently holy or effective man for Christ?
Why is he not tarred with the inaction on the priest abuse scandals, as is Benedict?
Sainthood should not be a popularity contest, but it is no surprise that the Church, which dumped Latin for Babel, goes for instant sainthood.


4 posted on 07/05/2013 5:48:08 AM PDT by steve8714 (Any homosexual man can marry any woman he wants. Just like the President.)
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To: steve8714
Sainthood should not be a popularity contest, but it is no surprise that the Church, which dumped Latin for Babel, goes for instant sainthood.

Good question. I don't doubt for a second that he should be sainted. But, in the words of the Ents, let us not be hasty.

5 posted on 07/05/2013 5:54:41 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

The patron saint of pedophile priests, who although multiple victims over the course of many years aproached him and begged him to put a stop to it refused to do anything other than hide what was going on even harder.

A tragically flawed individual, with iniquities just as extravagant as his heroics.


6 posted on 07/05/2013 6:47:58 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: steve8714; All

Unless I’m seriously misunderstanding something—which, as a relatively new Catholic convert, is definitely possible!—sainthood does not mean that the Church has stated that the saint was perfect in his lifetime. Sainthood means there is now proof that the saint is in heaven, out of purgatory, and therefore cleansed of all earthly sin, which we all have.

It’s as well to bear in mind that while we may think this was a fast trip to sainthood, and we may view St John Paul’s errors on this earth as very serious, the perspective is different in heaven, where time is not as we experience it. Time as we understand it is limited to the universe, but heaven is outside of the universe and things must be different there. By our reckoning a person may have spent a million years in purgation or five minutes, but it is sufficient by God’s judgement.

The fact is that people prayed to St John Paul for miraculous healings and did receive them, so it’s evident that he was in a position sufficiently close to the Lord to appeal to Him on behalf of sufferers on earth, so in the absence of any earthly medical explanation, we can conclude he’s in heaven and close to the Lord.

Personally, I always thought that his handling, or lack of handling, of the problems of the priesthood was more due to a type of naivete about psychology and a lack of comprehension of the scale of this evil, than any deceptiveness. I could be completely wrong, of course. But I’ve met so many good, good people, priests and lay Catholics alike, who thought that when a child molester gets on his knees before his bishop and sobs and says he hates himself and will never ever ever do it again, that they meant it. They are tremendously persuasive and manipulative, and when you witness their sobs, their tears, their snot, their real agony, you’d have to have a heart of stone to disbelieve them. (Ask me how I know. No, wait. Don’t ask.) That heart of stone is not easily created in religious people. Certainly not in a man like Karol Wojtyla.

Please forgive me if I write out of turn. Perhaps as a newbie I have no right to opine.


7 posted on 07/05/2013 7:46:12 AM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare--now a Marine Mom)
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sainthood does not mean that the Church has stated that the saint was perfect in his lifetime.

Only one was ever perfect - Jesus.
8 posted on 07/05/2013 8:03:36 AM PDT by Old Yeller (Goodbye America. Glad the majority of my years were spent during the good days.)
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To: ottbmare
Congratulations on your entrance into the Catholic Church and welcome!

IMHO, you possess much wisdom and understanding, as a Catholic and FReeper. Thanks for your post.

As you highlight, the saints have not been perfect in their lifetime. They are fully human, and not of an immaculate conception.

Some of the negative comments toward Blessed Pope John Paul II reminds me of this scene from the Passion of the Christ ...“Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.”

And soon-to-be-Saint Pope John Paul II was not 'caught in adultery'.

9 posted on 07/05/2013 8:15:25 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Servant of the Cross

That was fast...


10 posted on 07/05/2013 8:17:31 AM PDT by karnage
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To: ottbmare

Welcome to the Church!


11 posted on 07/05/2013 8:19:06 AM PDT by karnage
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To: MarkBsnr
Sainthood should not be a popularity contest, but it is no surprise that the Church, which dumped Latin for Babel, goes for instant sainthood.

Good question. I don't doubt for a second that he should be sainted. But, in the words of the Ents, let us not be hasty.

I'm not Catholic, though my wife was raised as one. Having been an observer of history, I believe that JPII was placed in the position he was by the hand of God so that he might be instrumental in the downfall of one of the great evils of the 20th century (communism). I think his impact on this world was both profound and for the good. Kinda makes me think his canonization wouldn't be a bad thing.

12 posted on 07/05/2013 8:28:55 AM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: ottbmare

You have a perfect right to comment, don’t ever apologize for holding an opinion around here.
If memory serves, the requirement used to be three miracles, plus many worthy saints have not been pushed this fast.
I think he trusted the bishops to do their jobs, which didn’t often happen.


13 posted on 07/05/2013 9:10:48 AM PDT by steve8714 (Any homosexual man can marry any woman he wants. Just like the President.)
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To: MrEdd

I think you take it too far. The Church got caught in the push for modernity in the 50s and 60s. I might question John XXIII before JP.


14 posted on 07/05/2013 9:52:22 AM PDT by steve8714 (Any homosexual man can marry any woman he wants. Just like the President.)
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To: zeugma

Oh, there is no question as to the impact that he made on the world stage. The Catholic Chuch measures in years and centuries; let us not be hasty.


15 posted on 07/06/2013 4:57:08 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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