Skip to comments.How Greek Science Passed to the Arabs
Posted on 03/17/2013 3:32:53 AM PDT by ABrit
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From the Gates of Vienna is a well researched video that makes the points that the downfall of classical civilization didn’t happen because of Goths or the Germans but rather the Moslems circa 640 AD.
Dr. Bill Warner is the founder of the Center for the Study of Political Islam (CSPI). The video below records a talk he gave recently about the real history of Islam, and why there is such a powerful tendency towards collective amnesia about it in the West.
His account of the destruction of classical civilization by the Great Jihad is a superb follow-up to Mohammed and Charlemagne Revisited by Emmet Scott, which was examined at length here last month.
This is possibly the best concise exposition of the history of Islamic violence that I have ever heard:
It took the Western Europeans about 900 years to recover. The Iberian and Italian peninsulas recovered faster than the North, but even then conditons deteriorated to such a degree that a bunch of mud islands in a tidal marsh on the Adriatic became an important city ~ for the times ~ we call it Venice.
The Byzantines produced no works of art for 60 years ~ the climate was better there ~ and the folks in Damascus actually didn't have much to say about the weather during most of that period.
Still, by the time the Meccan Arabs were on the move the Byzantines hadn't paid their armies in 100 years!
China shut down for 300 years. Central Asia shut down until 1300 give or take a few years waiting on the Mongol Empire to rise and reopen it.
Much of history after 535 can be dealt with readily with a model that takes a look at which societies recovered first ~ economically ~ and what they did with their advantage over their neighbors. For example, the Bretons and Cornish were moving out smartly by the mid 600s and had begun resettling Northern Spain. The Arabs beat them to the punch ~ but they met in Spain and engaged in a battle that lasted for over 800 years (SEE: Reconquista).
There are other examples, but any analysis that fails to note the destruction of civilization in the West in the 6th century is deficient in ways I find almost imagineable!
I won’t quibble with your reasoning about Islam, and the sources look very good. But I don’t want to conflate “Arabs” with “Muslims.” Arabs are quite capable of amazing cruelty without the excuses for it provided by Islam. It’s a case of the 99% making the 1% look bad (please note the order in which I placed those stats).
Thanks for posting that link to Dr Bill Warner, I have watched it, can’t recommend it highly enough. Want to know what the DARK AGES really were? It’s chilling. And they are still at it.
Still, by the time the Meccan Arabs were on the move the Byzantines hadn’t paid their armies in 100 year.
One of the things the video/article mentions is that the reason Mohamed’s relatives were able to defeat Byzantines and Persians in that wild 25 year expansion of the early 600’s is because the Byzantines and Persians had just finished a debilitating war with each other. And then following hard on that was the plague of the Black Death which killed off roughly a third of their populations.
Both civilizations were defenseless and prostrate.
Actually a climate anomaly of some kind that began in 535AD did in Western Europe BEFORE Mohammad was born.
Yeah I know about that climate anomaly. But the archaeologists studying the ruins of the spanish french Italian and greek towns along the Mediterranean and the nearby seabeds...show that the seaside towns were destroyed in the decades around 640 and replaced by hilltop fortresses. The nearby seabeds show ship wrecks at layers lower than than the 640 line but none higher—suggesting that sea commerce had died.
Libya was a big farming region until 640. That all disappeared after the Arab armies came through.
Yes. And “Christians”, like the editor of the “Christian” paper “Vårt Land”, have been moaning that the wrong people won at Vienna - shoulda been our friends the muslims.
That particular editor usually hangs out with HAMAS friends in betlehem. They’re good people. They ply him with sweet coffee.
How my screen has escaped projectile vomit over these years, I don’t know.
Its helpful to remember that Luther put Launched the Reformation in +-1517 and the furthest extant of moslems came to vienna in 1532.
When Europe —especially protestant Europe—jettisoned Christianity she also lost her historical memory.
excellent find - thanks for sharing - bookmarked and watching now!
Lets not forget, how & when the “Golden Age of Islam” died. Secondly, muslims conquered greater civilizations & non were Islamic or muslim before their mohammad.
The vizier from “1001 Nights” disturbed me from the 3rd grade on, learning of his murderous reign on every woman he married. ‘Scheherazade is the only one who can stop him?’ I recall thinking.
Then to continually realize how real it’s always been.
God help us....
AND THEN CAME THE 'ARAB SPRING' WITH THE OVERTHROW OF THE SECULAR EGYPTIAN GOVERNMENT, THE DESTRUCTION OF LYBIA BY NATO...AND NOW THERE'S TALK OF ARMING THE SALAFISTS TO FINISH OFF WHAT REMAINS OF SYRIA.
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