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The secularists are wrong, period. But we cannot remake the Founders in our image to claim they were something they weren't.
1 posted on 09/25/2012 7:24:34 PM PDT by billflax
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To: billflax

Well, of course this country was not founded on Christian Principles That would be wrong /s.


2 posted on 09/25/2012 7:26:44 PM PDT by KittenClaws (You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: billflax

30% of the founders were ministers. Most were religious men.

They came here to practice Christianity out from under the control of the King.


3 posted on 09/25/2012 7:27:09 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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America was NOT founded as a Christian nation.

A true Christian nation would not have allowed false gods to be worshipped in it’s society.

Islam, Buddhism and satanism would have been banned outright.


6 posted on 09/25/2012 7:31:49 PM PDT by 353FMG (The US Constitution is only as effective as those who enforce it.)
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To: billflax

Jamestown first settlement.

” The first representative assembly in the New World convened in the Jamestown church on July 30, 1619. The General Assembly met in response to orders from the Virginia Company “to establish one equal and uniform government over all Virginia” which would provide “just laws for the happy guiding and governing of the people there inhabiting.” The other crucial event that would play a role in the development of America was the arrival of Africans to Jamestown. A Dutch slave trader exchanged his cargo of Africans for food in 1619. The Africans became indentured servants, similar in legal position to many poor Englishmen who traded several years of labor in exchange for passage to America. The popular conception of a race-based slave system did not fully develop until the 1680s.”

http://www.apva.org/history/


7 posted on 09/25/2012 7:31:58 PM PDT by cruise_missile (')
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To: billflax

To the headline: yes


9 posted on 09/25/2012 7:33:03 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: billflax; 353FMG

Believe me, dear Sir: there is not in the British empire a man who more cordially loves a union with Great Britain than I do. But, by the God that made me, I will cease to exist before I yield to a connection on such terms as the British Parliament propose; and in this, I think I speak the sentiments of America.

—Thomas Jefferson, November 29, 1775


10 posted on 09/25/2012 7:33:11 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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Well, whatever, King Philippe II/III, of Spain, founded America with the Treaty of London 1604. He was very much a Christian man ~ and at the time the richest man in the world.

He set aside a desolate and nearly abandoned portion of North America for the exclusive use of Protestants.

Considering who his father was, this was a magnificent gesture ~ worthy of memory.

11 posted on 09/25/2012 7:36:10 PM PDT by muawiyah
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George Washington, November 5, 1775, General Orders
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12 posted on 09/25/2012 7:41:11 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: billflax

Our Constitution is based on the Ten Commandments, not the koran.


14 posted on 09/25/2012 7:43:02 PM PDT by Slyfox
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Oh, Boy! . . . Here we go.


22 posted on 09/25/2012 7:54:07 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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In my opinion, nations are not religious. The leaders and the people of a nation may belong to one religion or another, and they may govern by principles according to their religion(s), but the nation itself does not belong to a particular religion.

On another line of thought, each of the early colonies came here to practice their particular brand of religion free from whatever interference that they had received in their homelands. But to the best of my knowledge, none of the early colonies practiced what we would call “freedom of religion”. They came here to be free to practice their own religion, but they were not interested in allowing others to practice a different religion within their colony.

By the time of the revolution, this had changed in some of the colonies, but several of the thirteen original states still had official state religions even after the passage of the Bill of Rights and its guarantee of what we now call “freedom of religion”.

This alone should tell you whether the constitution was intended to apply to the states as well as the nation.


23 posted on 09/25/2012 7:57:30 PM PDT by Stegall Tx (Living off your tax dollars can be kinda fun, but not terribly profitable.)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayflower_Compact

In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King, defender of the Faith, etc.

Having undertaken, for the Glory of God, and advancements of the Christian faith and honor of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the Northern parts of Virginia, do by these presents, solemnly and mutually, in the presence of God, and one another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil body politic; for our better ordering, and preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid; and by virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal laws, ordinances, acts, constitutions, and offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general good of the colony; unto which we promise all due submission and obedience.
In witness whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape Cod the 11th of November, in the year of the reign of our Sovereign Lord King James, of England, France, and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth, 1620.[13]

Note: They landed not in Virginia, but Cape Cod.


26 posted on 09/25/2012 7:59:54 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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Articles / writers use the ‘controversial’ meme to rewrite history in support of liberalism. And they/their publications should be told in great number that their credibility ends, as does their income, when they attempt to blatantly lie.

Whether it’s this, the gay ‘rights’ bs or Dem anything, Stop patronizing them, inform them why and that’s about all we can do.

Why people still watch TV or by MSM pubs/visit their websites/then wonder why the MSM has such influence, is beyond me.


27 posted on 09/25/2012 8:02:02 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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Arrrrghh! No time tonight, but I must return to demonstrate at length that America was most assuredly founded on Christian principles....but not for the reasons usually advanced.

Your article was interesting, but weak kneed. The truth seldom lies in the center between “extremes” as liberals and moderates seem to fancy. The truth makes it’s own path irrespective of what is today novel or trendy.

Quickly this. We are a republic and republic’s make an end of Kings. Such an end was only made possible by Christ.

The moment Christ died a new covenant was born. The curtain in Herod’s Temple which separated the holy of holies from the people was torn asunder. From that moment forward no one stood between each person and their God. No Priest. No King.

We have a one on one with God. Oh my...that means we are born with rights from God. Oh my....then there is no such thing as a noble. I am equal to any man and every man before God and the law.

It took another 1750 years, a Reformation, and an ocean between us to figure it out....but we did.

All men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with unalienable rights among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.....is indeed a Christian principle.

As is the tolerance for sinners and heretics who must find salvation and repentance on their own....not by force or compulsion.

Not all men who say they are Christian were or are. Likewise, not all men who say they are or were irreligious can be so easily filed.

The founders, like all of us, undoubtedly went through many phases of belief and unbelief in their long lives. They would be far too remarkable had they not. But the record does show that for most of them most of the time they lived....they abided by Christian principles as well as any sinner might.


32 posted on 09/25/2012 8:05:42 PM PDT by Lowell1775
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Surely developed under Biblical principals and Christians are the majority of the population, but, no, not a Christian nation. I don’t see where Christ would support abortion, pornography, gambling, name your sin. The US is like any other nation, populated with Christians, but it doesn’t have any unique covenant with God, at least not one that can be found in the Bible.


33 posted on 09/25/2012 8:15:02 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch (the mature Christian is almost impossible to offend)
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NO.

It was founded on Christian principles by a majority of Christians


34 posted on 09/25/2012 8:16:19 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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“Was America Founded As A Christian Nation?”

Yes, of course it was.

To try to deny this is to deny Western culture and history.


37 posted on 09/25/2012 8:57:13 PM PDT by Road Glide
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On April 30, 1789, George Washington took the oath as the first president of the United States. The oath was administered by Robert R. Livingston, the Chancellor of New York, on a second floor balcony of Federal Hall, above a crowd assembled in the streets to witness this historic event. President Washington and the members of Congress then retired to the Senate Chamber, where Washington delivered the first inaugural address to a joint session of Congress. Washington humbly noted the power of the nations’ call for him to serve as president and the shared responsibility of the president and Congress to preserve “the sacred fire of liberty” and a republican form of government.

After concluding his remarks, the President and Congress proceeded through crowds lined up on Broadway to St. Paul’s Church, where a service was conducted. 

www.archives.gov/legislative/features/gw-inauguration/#images

The service held at St.Paul’s was where the Founding Fathers dedicated America to God.


41 posted on 09/25/2012 9:06:53 PM PDT by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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Yes, the U.S. was founded by Christians. Next question, secular maroons.


51 posted on 09/25/2012 10:42:30 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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I believe that the Founders were all Christians and assumed all other Americans would be as well. But there were Anglicans and Catholics and Presbyterians et al so they had to make sure no Christian denomination took over everything. As the Roman Church or the Anglican Church had done before. I believe the Presbyterians are a Scottish Church? Americans were to have freedom to join whichever one pleased their sensabilities.


53 posted on 09/25/2012 11:26:29 PM PDT by tinamina
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