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To: Natural Law; metmom
I find this very interesting. Do you think the Renaissance period was any more beautiful or masterful than say the seven wonders of the ancient world? Was it more inspiring than the architecture of the ancient Romans or the Greeks? Or Babylon? Have any of those, including the Renaissance period been any more masterful than the awe-inspiring works of modern man? Pictures taken of the earth from the moon? The unbelievable Body Works, showing the workings of the human and animal world from the inside?

I say all this because there are artistic masters in every age. But what I don't find is God directing men to paint frescos or ceilings or buildings with pictures supposedly depicting Jesus Christ. Or Peter. Or Paul. Or angels. God has directed and given instructions for two items: The Ark and the Jewish Temple. The rest is man's reaching out to God. The opposite of God's reaching out to man. This world is about God reconciling man to Himself through the finished work of Jesus Christ. Everything else, no matter how "inspiring" or "masterful" takes away from His Word of reconciliation. Meant to please the eye and feed the senses, but void of truth.

192 posted on 04/20/2012 2:55:25 PM PDT by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing are for an eternity..)
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To: smvoice
"I say all this because there are artistic masters in every age. But what I don't find is God directing men to paint frescos or ceilings or buildings with pictures supposedly depicting Jesus Christ. Or Peter. Or Paul. Or angels."

To explain this simply I need to introduce and define several Latin Terms used by the Church that I am certain are completely foreign to Sola Screiptura Protestants; Ipsissima verba and ipsissima vox.

Ipsissima verba means the actual words used (ipsissima verba Jesu – the actual words used by Jesus, Ipsissima verba Deus – the actual words used by God, ipsissima verba Scriptura – the actual words used in Scripture, etc.). Ipsissima vox means the actual meaning accurately conveyed (either by paraphrasing, or analogy, etc.).

An example would be if I invited you for dinner and asked that we meet at 6:45 at a Ruth’s Cris. If, in response to a question about it by someone you replied 6:45 at Ruth’s Cris you would be exercising “ipsissima verba”. If, on the other hand you answered a quarter to 7:00 at that really good steak house on Broadway you would be practicing “ipsissima vox”. You would have, with 100% fidelity relayed what I meant without actually using my exact words.

If we try to reconcile minor differences in accounts of the same event in Scripture we will find that Scripture contains numerous examples where ipsissima vox is used. Catholics and Catholicism, in reading the entire Bible, in the context of 100% of itself and in the context of the Apostolic Tradition substantiate many doctrines by the Magisterium determining Ipsissima vox Jesu, Ipsissima vox Deus and Ipsissima vox Scriptura.

Masters have existed in every age. Man is by nature and vocation a religious being. Coming from God, going toward God, man lives a fully human life only if he freely lives by his bond with God. Absent divine revelation, by only natural reason man can know God with certainty, on the basis of His works and His creation.

CCC2501 - Created "in the image of God," man also expresses the truth of his relationship with God the Creator by the beauty of his artistic works. Indeed, art is a distinctively human form of expression; beyond the search for the necessities of life which is common to all living creatures, art is a freely given superabundance of the human being's inner riches. Arising from talent given by the Creator and from man's own effort, art is a form of practical wisdom, uniting knowledge and skill, to give form to the truth of reality in a language accessible to sight or hearing. To the extent that it is inspired by truth and love of beings, art bears a certain likeness to God's activity in what he has created. Like any other human activity, art is not an absolute end in itself, but is ordered to and ennobled by the ultimate end of man.

194 posted on 04/20/2012 3:47:45 PM PDT by Natural Law (If you love the Catholic Church raise your hands, if not raise your standards.)
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