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Is Mormonism a Christian Denomination?
Catholic Lane ^ | March 9, 2012 | Mary Kochan

Posted on 03/11/2012 2:20:23 PM PDT by NYer

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To: reaganaut
Remember that the Mormon is trained to hide the difference between his beliefs and yours and to present himself as a Christian.

Office of First President & Living Prophet

November 1st, 2011

The message for this month is -

...to stay on our mantra: We ARE Christians!!

We've been taking a beating on the Internet - especially from those hateful ANTIs on FreeRepublic!
 
We MUST keep the media constantly informed of those things the world considers christian.

We must NOT allow our MORMONness to show thru, as it has gotten a really bad rap thru history - lord only knows why...
 
 
Tommy

61 posted on 03/11/2012 6:28:36 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: reaganaut
... press the Mormon to define the Christian-sounding words he is using.


 

Here is an alphabetical list of some of the more important terms and their meanings to a Mormon:

AARONIC PRIESTHOOD: This is called the lesser priesthood, and is usually held by young men starting at the age of 12 to the age of about 18. It is also held for a short time by men who have just become members.

AFTERLIFE: The Mormon afterlife is divided up into four levels. From the lowest to the highest they are: hell, and then three levels of heaven: the telestial, the terrestrial, and the place where God dwells, the celestial (also called the kingdom of God). The celestial is also divided, the highest level being "exaltation," or becoming a God.

APOSTLES: The Mormon Church claims to have the same organization as the primitive church that Jesus set up. They also have twelve apostles and sometimes use this as a proof of their divine appointment as the one true church. But they actually have fifteen or more most of the time. The general practice has been for a new president, who is also an apostle, to appoint counselors from the Quorum of the Twelve; then the openings left by the president and his counselors are filled, resulting in a total of fifteen.

CELESTIAL KINGDOM: See Heaven.

ELOHIM: The name of God the Father.

EXALTATION: This is becoming a God in the highest level of the celestial kingdom.

ETERNAL PROGRESSION: The teaching that each of us has the potential to become a God just like God the Father did. He was once a man capable of physical death, was resurrected and progressed to become a God. We can take a similar path and get all the power, glory, dominion, and knowledge the Father and Jesus Christ has. We then will be able to procreate spirit children who will worship us as we do God the Father.

GOD: Usually means God the Father. He was once a man like us capable of physical death and he progressed until he became a God. He has a body of flesh and bones, but no blood. Within Mormonism, Gods, angels, people and devils all have the same nature or substance but are at different stages along the line of progression to Godhood.

GRACE - The Mormon concept of grace means making oneself worthy of the grace of God by doing good works in the church, temple, and community.

HEAVEN-The Mormon church teaches there are three levels of heaven (three "degrees of glory"):

HELL: A place of torment from which the worst of sinners are resurrected (if they repent) into the Telestial kingdom; only a limited number remain in hell forever, - the devil and the demons and apostates who consciously reject and work against Mormonism.

HOLY GHOST: The third member of the Godhead, a personage of spirit, unlike the Father and Son who have bodies of flesh and bones.

JEHOVAH: The pre-incarnate name for Jesus Christ.

JESUS CHRIST: The spirit of Jesus Christ was the first spirit born to God the Father and his wife (Heavenly Mother). He progressed to become a God under the Father. (The Father is also the literal father of Jesus' body in the exact same way we were begotten by our earthly parents.) He now has a body of flesh and bones, but no blood. He is the spirit brother of Satan whose spirit was procreated in the same way as Jesus'. To Mormons, even the atonement of his shed blood is not enough to provide forgiveness of sin and bring eternal life. Stripped of his Deity and demoted to a partial Savior, the Jesus of Mormonism has been robbed of his power and authority. Not only is the Mormon Jesus one who had struggled to achieve his own salvation, he also failed to establish his church. Both in Jerusalem and in the America's where Jesus was supposed to have visited, he attempted to build a group of followers. But in each case, truth was overcome by the alleged early church apostasy into false teaching.

MARRIAGE: The Mormon Church teaches two types of marriage. One ends at death. The other is for "time and eternity." If the couple is married in a Mormon temple by someone with authority it is believed they will stay married in the next life. This kind of marriage is needed if they are to progress, not only as husband and wife, but as God and Goddess.

MELCHIZEDEK PRIESTHOOD: The higher of two categories of ministry in the LDS Church, assigned primarily to seasoned members over the age of 18, males only.

POLYGAMY: The practice of men having more than one wife was started by Joseph Smith in the early/mid 1830's and ostensibly ended in 1890. It is not now sanctioned by the LDS church headquartered in Salt Lake City. Members found practicing it are excommunicated. While the practice was ended, the revelation teaching it is still in Mormon scripture (Doctrine & Covenants 132). Some Mormon splinter groups believe the teaching was for eternity and still practice it. These modern-day polygamists (called fundamentalists) number in the 30,000-50,000 range.

PRE-EXISTENCE: The Mormon teaching that our spirits (Mormons and non-Mormons) were procreated in a premortal life by God the Father and our Mother in Heaven, that our spirits were born and raised to maturity before coming to earth to obtain physical bodies, and that the spirit of Jesus Christ was the first one born to our Heavenly parents.

PRIESTHOOD: A category of ministry in the LDS Church open to all worthy males 12 years of age or older, empowering them to act in God's name. Non-Mormons cannot hold the priesthood, hence they have no authority. Men of African descent have only recently (by special correction of the original revelations) been allowed to hold these offices.

PROPHET: The top leader of the Mormon Church is considered not only a prophet but is also a seer and revelator. He has the title "president." He is the only one who can speak for the whole church and receive new revelation for the whole church. When the current prophet dies, the most senior (time as an apostle, not age) of the twelve apostles, the president of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, becomes the new president. He can appoint counselors, who receive their authority from him.

SALVATION: A word that Mormons qualify in one of three ways: unconditional or general salvation is simply resurrection from the dead, granted to all through Christ's atonement; conditional or individual salvation involves entering the celestial kingdom through works of Mormonism; full salvation means exaltation to become a God as a result of temple ceremonies and other works. The word 'salvation' can have a two-fold meaning: a) forgiveness of sins and b) universal resurrection:

The Mormons have several different levels of "salvation".

SATAN: One of the spirit children of God. As a consequence of their rebellion Satan and his angels cannot have mortal bodies - hence cannot progress.

SCRIPTURES: The Mormon Church has four documents it calls canonized scriptures: the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price, and the King James Version of the Holy Bible.

SON OF GOD: Along with Jesus Christ, all of us are viewed as the children of God, his literal spirit children. This makes us all - Mormons, non-Mormons, Jesus Christ and Satan - spirit brothers.

SPIRITS: Nonmaterial beings allegedly procreated in the pre-existence by God the Father and his wife. Jesus Christ, and even we ourselves, were supposedly born and raised to maturity as spirits before coming into bodies on this earth. The spirit of Satan was also procreated in this way. This makes Satan and Jesus Christ spirit brothers. Jesus selected a righteous path; Satan selected the opposite.

STANDARD WORKS: The four canonized scriptures (see Scripture above) used by the Mormon Church are called the Standard Works.

TEMPLE: One of about four dozen special (for LDS) buildings around the world in which sacred (to LDS) ceremonies are performed for the living and the dead; off limits to nonmembers and even to Mormons who lack a "temple recommend" from their leaders. Only about 20% of the Mormons qualify to go.

TRINITY: This word is used by Christians to summarize the Biblical teaching that within the one true God is three persons: God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost. They share the same nature or substance so that there are not three Gods, but three persons in the one God. Mormons say they also believe in the Trinitarian concept of God. But really what they mean are that God the Father is a God, God the Son is another God, and God the Holy Ghost is a third God and they are "one God" because they are "one in purpose." Mormons often have an incorrect understanding of what Christians mean by the "Trinity." They say Christians believe that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are one person (i.e., Monophysiteism) or that God shows himself as the Father or the Son or the Holy Ghost (i.e. Modalism).

VIRGIN BIRTH: A concept negated by the view that God, a resurrected man with flesh and bones according to Mormon teachings, literally fathered Jesus in the flesh in the same way in which earthly men father their children. Despite the documented position of previous Mormon prophets, presidents, and apostles about the nature of Christ's conception, modern LDS apologists maintain that "Christ was born of a virgin". How can they? By changing the definition of the word "virgin". The reasoning goes like this: since Mary had sexual relations with an immortal man, not a mortal man, the phrase "virgin birth" still applies.

WORD OF WISDOM: The name for the Mormon Church's teaching requiring abstinence from tobacco, alcohol, and hot drinks (tea and coffee).



62 posted on 03/11/2012 6:29:33 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN
Was this an actual ad or was it Photoshopped?

Do you REALLY have to ask this??

63 posted on 03/11/2012 6:32:40 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN
Fruit of the Loom packages haven’t looked like that for a while.

Uh...

MY FOL 'package' NEVER looked like that!

64 posted on 03/11/2012 6:34:13 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Boogieman
...so they are lumped in with Christianity along with...

GREAT!!

As though Westboro of Topeka isn't bad enough!!

65 posted on 03/11/2012 6:36:03 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: longhorn too

[ Jesus Christ was Jewish, those who are born again and follow him are Christians. ]

The question went over your head eh...


66 posted on 03/11/2012 6:37:30 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: CatherineofAragon
I got educated by reading FR.

I hope it was actual data from the LDS Organization; and not some personal blatherings from fools like me!

67 posted on 03/11/2012 6:38:17 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: jroneil
Not three separate God and we can not become God and are no part of God we are creatures of God created beings.

Are you SURE???


The Doctrine and Covenants

Section 132

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501–7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.

1–6, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant; 7–14, The terms and conditions of that covenant are set forth; 15–20, Celestial marriage and a continuation of the family unit enable men to become gods; 21–25, The strait and narrow way leads to eternal lives; 26–27, The law is given relative to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost; 28–39, Promises of eternal increase and exaltation are made to prophets and Saints in all ages; 40–47, Joseph Smith is given the power to bind and seal on earth and in heaven; 48–50, The Lord seals upon him his exaltation; 51–57, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.

 


 

 16Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in amarriage; but are appointed angels in bheaven, which angels are ministering cservants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.

 17For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are aangels of God forever and ever.

 18And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that acovenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God.

 19And again, verily I say unto you, if a man amarry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and beverlasting covenant, and it is csealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of dpromise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the ekeys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit fthrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s gBook of Life, that he shall commit no hmurder whereby to shed innocent iblood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their jexaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the kseeds forever and ever.

 20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from aeverlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be bgods, because they have call power, and the angels are subject unto them.

 21Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my alaw ye cannot attain to this glory.

 22For astrait is the gate, and narrow the bway that leadeth unto the exaltation and continuation of the clives, and few there be that find it, because ye receive me not in the world neither do ye know me.

 23But if ye receive me in the world, then shall ye know me, and shall receive your exaltation; that awhere I am ye shall be also.

 24This is aeternal lives—to bknow the only wise and true God, and Jesus Christ, whom he hath csent. I am he. Receive ye, therefore, my law.

 25aBroad is the gate, and wide the way that leadeth to the bdeaths; and many there are that go in thereat, because they creceive me not, neither do they abide in my law.


68 posted on 03/11/2012 6:39:37 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: NYer
Is Mormonism a Christian Denomination?

No.

69 posted on 03/11/2012 6:40:14 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Paved Paradise
Heck, many Christians don’t even know what their own church teaches (doctrinally), let alone what Mormons believe.

Sadly; you are so very correct. The IGNORANCE is appalling!

70 posted on 03/11/2012 6:40:55 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Paved Paradise
Christ means the "annointed one."
The first name for those who followed Jesus was "People of the Way." It wasn't until the time of Ignatius, the Bishop of Antioch, (70-108 A.D.) that the Romans started calling the people who followed The Way "Christians."

Christians are those who follow the Annointed One and Jesus IS the Annointed One.

71 posted on 03/11/2012 6:49:14 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: hosepipe

The question went over your head eh...

I gave you my honest opinion, apparently the question is over my head but I don’t try to be offensive when I reply back to someone who may not get it.

But in your case, nah never mind!


72 posted on 03/11/2012 6:53:05 PM PDT by longhorn too
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place marker


73 posted on 03/11/2012 6:53:43 PM PDT by svcw (CLEAN WATER & Education http://www.longlostsis.com/PI/MayanHelp2012.html)
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To: NYer

I admire the principles of tithing, a church which has its own welfare system,I find most Mormons to be nice people who make good neighbors. I know that their religion is false as there are no ruins of the acient American cities they talk about in the BOM. I can buy a plane ticket to Israel, travel to Jerusalem, bethleham, and withit evidence of a civilization there. I understand Joeseph Smith was a con man who used masonic rituals to create many of the temple rituals, and understand that its a false religion far different than the Christian Churches I have attended. I understand Joseph Smith was busy revising the holy bible when he was murdered, so it would agree with BOM doctrines. But I will not hate Mormons, I pray for their salvation, and hope they see truth someday. I don’t want Mitt to win the Presidency because he is a progressive republican moderate who cannot beat Obama in the general, however I don’t fear he will transform the white house into a Mormon Temple any more than I believe Santorum will bring the pope over to America for some kind of great awakening. The article was interesting, however limited in the total truth of Mormonism, but from a political stand point we better get it together soon or a dude who practices liberation theology, socialism with a slant towards communism will win another term. Thanks.


74 posted on 03/11/2012 7:04:52 PM PDT by JohnD9207 (Santorum...the only Conservative in the race.)
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To: Elsie

It looked like it could have been an old commercial that was made when ‘Star Wars’ was popular.

You’ve never seen goofy,bizarre commercials?


75 posted on 03/11/2012 7:05:49 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (I love you,Pumpkin. You are the best cat in the world. You're my Sweet Pea.)
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To: Elsie

It looked like it could have been an old commercial that was made when ‘Star Wars’ was popular.

You’ve never seen goofy,bizarre commercials?


76 posted on 03/11/2012 7:06:06 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (I love you,Pumpkin. You are the best cat in the world. You're my Sweet Pea.)
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To: cloudmountain; Paved Paradise
It wasn't until the time of Ignatius, the Bishop of Antioch, (70-108 A.D.) that the Romans started calling the people who followed The Way "Christians."

If you mean as an ongoing label, yes; the original usage is quite early in New Testament history -- decades before that:

The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch. (Acts 11:26)

This wasn't very long after Jesus appeared to Saul -- who became Paul.

77 posted on 03/11/2012 7:10:26 PM PDT by Colofornian ( Tell us: Why do we want to vote for ONE socialist to defeat ANOTHER socialist again?)
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To: Elsie

I wasn’t talking about the words around the picture;I was talking about the picture itself. It looks like an ad from when ‘Star Wars’ was popular and ‘FOTL’ and the motion picture company that made/released ‘Star Wars’ got together to do an underwear ad.

They do make some odd commercials.


78 posted on 03/11/2012 7:13:03 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (I love you,Pumpkin. You are the best cat in the world. You're my Sweet Pea.)
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To: Paved Paradise

Well, the word “Jew” refers both to religion and to race. You can be a secular Jew today, for instance, although I would argue that that is to be an incomplete Jew. Jesus as a human being was Jewish, since his humanity was born of Mary, who was Jewish.

As you suggest, Jesus was also the promised Messiah of the Jews, the fulfillment of all the Prophecies. He fulfilled the promises of the Old Testament. And He established a New Covenant. But in the O.T., God tells the Jews that His covenant is with them “forever.” And in one of the Epistles, Paul says the same, echoing those words.

Christianity did not replace Judaism, it fulfilled it. Those who remain Jewish refuse to recognize that. But God remains with them as long as they are faithful according to their lights. So He has promised.

So, is Jesus a Christian? Well, traditionally, the Church is the Bride of Christ, so you wouldn’t exactly say that Christ is a member of that Church. He also is the Vine and we are the branches. So, kind of hard to say, but I would say, yes. As Christians, He is our primary model, after all.


79 posted on 03/11/2012 7:29:34 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: reaganaut
Mormons redefine every term they use to make it sound Christian.

They sound just like Democrats

80 posted on 03/11/2012 8:16:54 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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