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To: Lera

Your argument makes no sense,dear friend

Falling into error does not cancel out the sound teachings and truthfulness one walked in before that point.

Origen is in the same boat as Luther in the Catholic view. Their pride in their personal beliefs caused them to separate themselves from the Church instead of humbly submitting to the teachings of the Church like many great Saints did


444 posted on 02/09/2012 11:26:04 AM PST by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: stfassisi

No it is your argument that is devoid of all reasoning.

In the age of Grace the Holy Spirit does not depart from a believer . You either have it or you don’t but it doesn’t go away after you have received it.

Now Origen was either basically teaching reincarnation (which is not biblical) or he was accused falsely . If he was teaching this then he was NOT led to teach this by the Holy Spirit .

Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Got that , faith comes by actually hearing the word of God.
It says nothing about faith coming by hearing teachings of men.

Luther finally figured that part out when he figured out that the just shall live by faith .

Really all he had to do to figure that out was to actually open his Bible and read it . Every single thing a follower of Christ needs to know is in the word (and it was not written by men but by the Holy Spirit.

Justification by faith is taught in the Old Testament scriptures (Old Covenant) and it is repeated in the New Testament scriptures (New Covenant)
Old Covenant
Hab 2:4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.
New Covenant
Heb 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

If your church has a problem with Martin Luther for teaching this then your church also has a problem with God’s WORD.

Who are you going to believe ? God’s WORD or some tradition written by man (whom by the way many of Rome’s popes led less than even close to Biblical lives considering how many of them had illegitimate children all over the place . 1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; )


565 posted on 02/10/2012 5:08:14 PM PST by Lera
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