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To: Claud

Inference from what? If this guy “inferred” that Christ was a 4’2” black woman who could play the spoons, would you listen to him? He’s going in detail on a subject that’s very vague in the Bible. As I replied to another person, there has been anecdotal relation (not a strong source either, since they could be crazy and/or liars) that the “spirit world” is even more real than ours. Other FReepers who’ve claimed to have seen it have said the same thing.

I highly doubt that the End Days as described in the Bible (there I go, looking at that archaic book again) are going down due to angels thinking real hard at us.


36 posted on 01/11/2012 12:34:04 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: Future Snake Eater

We shouldn’t equate spiritual with “not real”. Of course angels are real. But that doesn’t mean they have bodies. “Real” does not mean “material”.

If something has a body, it is made of matter. It is subject to the laws of matter. It occupies space and time. Now get someone on here who has measured the mass of an angel, has found its wavelength, has put it in a tub of water and have the water displaced, and then we can talk about the bodies of angels.

Incidentally, there was talk in the Middle Ages of the planets being given motion directly by angels. There’s a longstanding idea that angels can *affect* matter in special ways, that I wouldn’t dispute. But the consensus is that they are not material by nature, and until we discover one in the material universe, it’s best to stick to that presumption.


43 posted on 01/11/2012 12:59:55 PM PST by Claud
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To: Future Snake Eater

And as far as the end days go, it’s pretty clear that the material universe will be involved in it.


44 posted on 01/11/2012 1:01:59 PM PST by Claud
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