Posted on 10/16/2011 1:19:00 PM PDT by NYer
They have a “presence”, eh?
Why can’t all of us touch-base like that?
Count me among those. Never knew or could have imagined such peace. Then I survived. But have never since feared death.
“My own take is it’s a “Word of Knowledge”
That’s a good description. Mine stayed with me for 20+ years so far. I’ve found that I could change consciousness frequencies pretty much at will after the experience. I always experience bliss at the higher levels and pure hell at the lower levels. No, it’s not Bi-Polar. It’s different. The psychic abilities that came with it were the worst thing for me to adjust to. I still feel detailed emotions and memories of people around me, inside my body as though they were my own experiences. It is as much a curse as it is a gift.
My favorite NDE’er was a retired military from Fayetteville, NC who died on the operating table at Duke University Hospital while having his lung removed due to cancer. It was over 10 yrs ago. He had the letters from the Dr’s that he was talking while he was flatlined. They thought the anesthesia had worn off. He was funny as all get out as he told his story.
The best research of all on NDE’s is from Ian Stevenson and now followed by Bruce Greyson at University of VA, Charlottesville. Another excellent researcher is P. H. Atwater who has written many books on the subject.
Eben Alexander(story that started this thread) became friends with Bruce Greyson while trying to understand his NDE experience.
“In my experience, it is more common that one would think, just that many will not talk about it as they believe others will think they are “Crazy”
I’ve learned that there are a few things that many people experience but don’t talk about much, if at all.
Last week I was with my dad in his final few hours of his life. Cancer had taken it's toll and he was past the point where he could swallow fluids. Yet I was watching him raise his hand in a drinking motion and had a satisfied expression on his face afterward. He also seemed to be in communication with his departed sibblings. Days before he passed he sensed a presence of a person in the room we couldn't. One of his last coherent words was he wanted to go be with his dad.
I also know when I was working in nursing homes when a patient told you they were going home and would not be there in the morning they did not mean they were going back too their prior residence. This was true even in ones that were not actually terminal. They knew it many times. You came in the next day and they had passed.
He answered nothing, by explicitly saying that he had no answers.
"...then experiences were verified after the experience."
What pharmacetical was used to generate the same psychedelic experiences?
"The most profound experience was his meeting his natural birth sister who had died, that he never knew he had. ..."
I think that such a significant happening would be more notable, so that it would appear in the posted article. Instead, the notables were on the order of hearing visions and visa versa. BTW, testimony is not verifiable evidence that any such meeting occured. What you claim occurred is impossible to verify.
"I constantly have spirits approach me to pass a message on to the loved ones they left behind. The message is usually, “Tell them that everything is ok.”
Are you a Postal employee?
I suspect we are, all of us, the children (Son) of God.
He sent the Holy Spirit to remind us.
As stupid as this sounds, most of us just haven't developed the skills needed to connect and have trust yet.
“Nothing real can be threatened. Nothing unreal exists. Herein lies the peace of God.”
Thanks for posting that.
The Ability to see Suffering,
like one sees a color,
is a profound gift,
to see that it is an
incomplete Answer to our Existence,
Crosses another Bridge...
How many Bridges are there?
“Are you a Postal employee?”
I could respond to that with a question such as “Do you belong to the “Flat Earth Society?” but I will not.
All I ask you to do is search for the answers within the facts of known science. And when things don’t fit, look for logical scientific answers that provide more science. I learn far more from investigating the exceptions than I do from the routine events.
Read Thomas Kuhn’s “Structure of Scientific Revolutions.” Understand how the human mind works relating to new scientific insights. The sheep are on both sides of the fence. Use your logic to investigate scientifically.
Science is in the methodology applied, not the subject.
Science is great as it stops the mind from walking in the circles of illogical thought created by denying anything that does not fit your paradigm.
I see this often as I demonstrate much of what I do with MD’s and neuroscientists in a university setting. I’ve had them walk out of my lectures and return over and over, only later to come to me and explain that they were on intellectual overload and couldn’t take it. They saw it with their eyes, but it did not fit their paradigm, even though I was explaining it scientifically. They walked out rather than have a melt down, but kept coming back to resolve their inner conflict.
My personal philosophy is that “miracles” are merely science that we do not understand yet, and that the pathway to knowing and experiencing God is both logical and scientific. That does not mean that I discount everything that I do not understand. I refuse to close my mind. Maybe that is why I can do the things I can do!
Remember, even Jesus said to his disciples as he was sending them out... “The things that I do and more, you too shall do in my name.”
“How many Bridges are there?”
My Father’s mansion has many rooms, and there is a bridge to each one.
It’s an interesting journey, and like death, it’s an individual experience. Each person must walk their own path. God likes a flat organizational chart... everyone is to have their own direct experience without an big hierarchy.
Seeing suffering is one thing, feeling it as though it is happening to me as well it another. It’s hard to explain in this forum, so allow me to just say that we truly are all “one.”
This man had a personal experience which changed his perspective.
You have an opinion; not even your own original reasoned opinion, but one which someone else has impressed upon you.
A Course in Miracles
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