Posted on 10/03/2011 9:24:36 AM PDT by jesus4life
Amen
Grace and peace to all of you. I am very new to this site. The holy spirit brought me hear tonight to look over many answers here. To learn and to share.
I have questions here if anyone would be kind to take the time out to answer:
1. If we want evil to stop, why do speak of where it is, how to see it, where to see it, and when it may happen?
2. Do we really believe GOD sees all things and will handle all things?
3. If we revere Mary as the mother of GOD, why do we not copy her obedience??
4. If we believe in CHRIST as the son of GOD, who killed no one, loved everyone, and died for all. Why do we worry about dying?? Why do we want to kill others?? Why do we hate others? Why do we want to own land, take over other countries? Why do we want to judge others faith, walk, and lives before they die, knowing that GOD has power to save and can save anyone?
5. Do we believe heaven exists?? If so, where is it for all of you??
The holy spirit brought me to some passages for all of us to think about:
The love of Christ that we should live and show the world LUKE 6:27-36
27 'But I say this to you who are listening: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who treat you badly. 29 To anyone who slaps you on one cheek, present the other cheek as well; to anyone who takes your cloak from you, do not refuse your tunic. 30 Give to everyone who asks you, and do not ask for your property back from someone who takes it. 31 Treat others as you would like people to treat you. 32 If you love those who love you, what credit can you expect? Even sinners love those who love them. 33 And if you do good to those who do good to you, what credit can you expect? For even sinners do that much. 34 And if you lend to those from whom you hope to get money back, what credit can you expect? Even sinners lend to sinners to get back the same amount. 35 Instead, love your enemies and do good to them, and lend without any hope of return. You will have a great reward, and you will be children of the Most High, for he himself is kind to the ungrateful and the wicked. 36 'Be compassionate just as your Father is compassionate.
Mary's love, obedience, and acceptance that we should all follow in situations that GOD can handle that we cant
Luke 1:29-39
29 She was deeply disturbed by these words and asked herself what this greeting could mean, 30 but the angel said to her, 'Mary, do not be afraid; you have won God's favour. 31 Look! You are to conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you must name him Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his ancestor David; 33 he will rule over the House of Jacob for ever and his reign will have no end.' 34 Mary said to the angel, 'But how can this come about, since I have no knowledge of man?' 35 The angel answered, 'The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will cover you with its shadow. And so the child will be holy and will be called Son of God. 36 And I tell you this too: your cousin Elizabeth also, in her old age, has conceived a son, and she whom people called barren is now in her sixth month, 37 for nothing is impossible to God.' 38 Mary said, 'You see before you the Lord's servant, let it happen to me as you have said.' And the angel left her. 39 Mary set out at that time and went as quickly as she could into the hill country to a town in Judah.
OUR LIVES HERE MARK 8:29-38
27 Jesus and his disciples left for the villages round Caesarea Philippi. On the way he put this question to his disciples, 'Who do people say I am?' 28 And they told him, 'John the Baptist, others Elijah, others again, one of the prophets.' 29 'But you,' he asked them, 'who do you say I am?' Peter spoke up and said to him, 'You are the Christ.' 30 And he gave them strict orders not to tell anyone about him. 31 Then he began to teach them that the Son of man was destined to suffer grievously, and to be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes, and to be put to death, and after three days to rise again; 32 and he said all this quite openly. Then, taking him aside, Peter tried to rebuke him. 33 But, turning and seeing his disciples, he rebuked Peter and said to him, 'Get behind me, Satan! You are thinking not as God thinks, but as human beings do.' 34 He called the people and his disciples to him and said, 'If anyone wants to be a follower of mine, let him renounce himself and take up his cross and follow me. 35 Anyone who wants to save his life will lose it; but anyone who loses his life for my sake, and for the sake of the gospel, will save it. 36 What gain, then, is it for anyone to win the whole world and forfeit his life? 37 And indeed what can anyone offer in exchange for his life? 38 For if anyone in this sinful and adulterous generation is ashamed of me and of my words, the Son of man will also be ashamed of him when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.'
OUR REAL HOME Revelations 21:1-8 1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; the first heaven and the first earth had disappeared now, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride dressed for her husband. 3 Then I heard a loud voice call from the throne, 'Look, here God lives among human beings. He will make his home among them; they will be his people, and he will be their God, God-with-them. 4 He will wipe away all tears from their eyes; there will be no more death, and no more mourning or sadness or pain. The world of the past has gone.' 5 Then the One sitting on the throne spoke. 'Look, I am making the whole of creation new. Write this, "What I am saying is trustworthy and will come true." 6 Then he said to me, 'It has already happened. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give water from the well of life free to anybody who is thirsty; 7 anyone who proves victorious will inherit these things; and I will be his God and he will be my son. 8 But the legacy for cowards, for those who break their word, or worship obscenities, for murderers and the sexually immoral, and for sorcerers, worshippers of false gods or any other sort of liars, is the second death in the burning lake of sulphur.'
Well then what was John the Baptist??? Muzlim??? Maybe he was a Mormon...
and it would be funny if it wasn’t so sad that someone would think John was a Baptist like Jerry Falwell because he was called John the Baptist.
Well no...John the Baptist was here first...Jerry Falwell the Baptist was like John the Baptist in that neither one baptized babies...In fact, none of the Apostles baptized babies...Nor did Jesus Christ...
if i made this stuff up, no one would believe it.
You've made a lot of stuff up and you are right...We don't believe it...
Go tell all that to your not so unanimous consent church fathers. Then go worship the queen of heaven on the CC alter facing east. Catholic pagan drivel is getting really old. You strain at gnats as post after post illustrates scriptural weakness of the RCC if not total scriptural denial. Catholicism as it exists today appears to be more the whore of Babylon than anything that existed during the time of the Apostles. Even if it’s “yea rather” the words of Jesus deny the position Catholics have given Mary. The CC replaces the One True God as the Rock which the true church is built on with a mere mortal then installs rituals which Jesus clearly repudiates again and again. The warning in Revelation to “come out of her” should be given to every adherent to the RCC abomination.
While I could not prove from scripture that they indeed did baptize infants, I would also not be able to prove they did not. I do believe a stronger case could be made that they did and at least sanctioned it. Paul indicates in Colossians that baptism replaced circumcision.
Colossians 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: 12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
This comparison between who could receive baptism and circumcision is an appropriate one. In the Old Testament, if a man wanted to become a Jew, he had to believe in the God of Israel and be circumcised. In the New Testament, if one wants to become a Christian, one must believe in God and Jesus and be baptized. In the Old Testament, those born into Jewish households could be circumcised in anticipation of the Jewish faith in which they would be raised. Thus in the New Testament, those born in Christian households can be baptized in anticipation of the Christian faith in which they will be raised. The pattern is the same: If one is an adult, one must have faith before receiving the rite of membership; if one is a child too young to have faith, one may be given the rite of membership in the knowledge that one will be raised in the faith. The child being under the covering of the fathers faith. This is the basis of Paul’s reference to baptism as "the circumcision of Christ"—that is, the Christian equivalent of circumcision. We cannot say that children were excluded from any of the following examples. If Jesus had in some way indicated that infants should not be baptized we would expect that the exclusion would have been noted here.
Acts 16:15 And when she was baptized, and her household, she besought us, saying, If ye have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house, and abide there. And she constrained us.
Acts 16:33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
1 Corinthians 1:16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.
Keep in mind Jesus words to “suffer the little children”.
Last but not least would be the statement in scripture that faith in Jesus is needed for salvation. With the same thought pattern that restricts infant baptism one would have to say that infants, due to not being of an age to “believe” would be denied salvation.
"Good. I can feel your anger. I am defenseless. Take your weapon. Strike me down with all of your hatred, and your journey towards the dark side will be complete."
You couldn’t even extract from that post that my “anger” is directed at the RCC who through deceit is leading millions of people to destruction? Why would I be angry at you? You have been led to the point that your eyes have been blinded and your heart turned to stone. Your decision is your own. There would be no reason I would be angry at or with you. I truly feel sorry for you. If you think I’m angry at the RCC you should read Revelation and see what God has in store for the whore of Babylon which I believe is the RCC and those “in her”.
Wading through the double speak does get tedious at times doesn’t it.
Funny, I feel the same about you.
"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other." - Gal 5:22-26
God will not hear prayers of evil people.
"Behold, the LORD's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear: But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear." —Isaiah 59:1-2
“But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” Galatians 1:8-9
2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
It is a good thing that we are now under a New and Everlasting Covenant.
"On hearing this, Jesus said, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick." - Matthew 9:12
"He said to them, “You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of others, but God knows your hearts. What people value highly is detestable in God’s sight." - Luke 16:15
They even disagree among themselves on things that Rome says are "infallible" teachings.. Cafeteria Catholics abound
As in the case of non Catholics, there is no harm that I can see in baptizing babies other than the fact that people perhaps miss the meaning of water baptism...
Catholics on the other hand, go right to the edge by implying that an unbaptized baby will go to hell...That's why the big rush for Catholic parents to get their kids baptized as near as possible to when they took their first breath...
When I was baptized, it was to show God and those around me that I accepted Jesus as my Savior...
No one in the NT as far as I can see was instructed to get baptized without first repenting...
I didn't see any anger or hatred...What I see is compassion...A warning to get out of that religion and turn to Jesus as quick as you can, for your sake...
The three main points like I posted are that they baptized “their household” which could well have had small children and the sure didn’t purposely exclude them. The comparison to circumcision which was 8 days old. Then the fact that children aren’t of age to repent.
For those reasons I don’t believe that anyone can really put a strict rule on it. Nor would I hold anyone to any particular view.
Been there, and we do have ours, in addition to a basic supernatural unity among those in the Spirit, but when you are preaching a particular solitary church as supreme then it becomes more problematic.
It is that basic supernatural unity that we call Communion of the saints that is the essence of Catholicism. It is a set of beliefs. You either believe like we do or you do not. That is freedom.
Those that choose not to share in that Communion choose to remain outside. It is not something imposed by the Church, it is an individual choice merely recognized by the Church. It is not a democracy or a negotiative body.
Are those saints that are in heaven, that you pray to for intervention, gods? Have they become gods that can be venerated and prayed to for your help on earth? Do they mediate between you and God?
I get the feeling that often Protestants using Catholic terminology is analogous to a monkey handling a pistol. Although outwardly capable of using it, there is absolutely no comprehension of its actual purpose or consequence.
First of all, "the communion of saints is the spiritual solidarity which binds together the faithful on earth, the souls in purgatory, and the saints in heaven in the organic unity of the same mystical body under Christ its head, and in a constant interchange of supernatural offices". This is as declared by the Early Church Fathers in their ante-Nicene liturgies and their creeds. If is is foreign to you I need to ask how much else of Christianity is too.
Catholicism only recognized the existence of one God. This too is declared in our Creeds. I'm not going to humor you with a repetition of the asinine fabrications tossed already tossed around in these threads. Catholics believe what we believe, not what you think or want us to believe.
All of this information is readily available to you. If you are too lazy, too stupid or too filled with hatred to do a little research for yourself there is nothing I can do for you.
I’m neither too lazy, too stupid, nor too filled with hatred. Nor am I too willing to be deceived. Or willing to lay aside my God-given ability to study His Word in favor of letting others tell me what God MEANT to say. I sense anger in you, NL. Or is it desperation? When we dig the truth up for you all, it is GLARINGLY different than what was told to us. Are the members of the RCC deceived, or deceiving those who are non-Catholics? Just curious.
I said nothing about being imposed forced, and again, i am aware of what Catholicism asserts, but which is the problem/issue.
Not anger, its annoyance and impatience. Repeated questions in which previous answers are completely ignored or misrepresented, for no other apparent purpose than antagonize and ridicule, do that.
You are not asked to lay aside anything, but it is you who act as though Catholics have no such abilities or rights because we do not conform lockstep to Reformist theology or YOPIS. The Catholic Church has 2000 years of collective study and writings, teaching authorities, and educational programs for Catholics to consider when we exercise our personal choice to join the Communion of saints as compared to some indwelling gut feel or voices in our heads and you call us deceived. You ignore and twist Catholic theology into something universally rejected by Catholics and demand that we accept your perspective as the legitimate one an you call us desperate? You accept the opinions of dubious ex-Catholics on the tenets of Catholicism as though they came from the Burning Bush, but reject direct quotes from Scripture, the writings of the Early Church Fathers, the Catechism, and Canon law and claim to be digging for the truth? I think you ought to revisit those three choices again because I think you score three out of three.
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