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1 posted on 08/18/2011 7:18:16 AM PDT by marshmallow
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The Seal of Confession and The Virtue of Religion The Hermeneutic of Continuity

So is it hermeneutically sealed?

2 posted on 08/18/2011 7:29:15 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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The confessional seal is the absolute rock bottom foundation of the church's political power. By guaranteeing that your secrets were safe, there was at least one person who knew ALL the secrets, and we all know that information is power.

Don't forget that 1000 years ago, the pope was a "general" leading his very own papal army. The "seal" is a holdover from that era when it meant military intelligence.

The church has never been about community service, it's always been about power.

3 posted on 08/18/2011 8:26:24 AM PDT by EN1 Sailor (I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness)
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The Seal: A Priest's Story

An excellent read!

5 posted on 08/18/2011 8:34:53 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: marshmallow
Fr. Tim Finnegan?

I hope he lives a long, happy and holy life, but I hope I get to attend his wake.

I heard about it, once ...

6 posted on 08/18/2011 8:42:17 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: marshmallow
The Seal of Confession and The Virtue of Religion
First Confession Guide for Adults [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
Examination of Conscience [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
Examination of Conscience
Examination of Conscience
A Guide for Confession

Why Go to Confession? (Part 1) - Pastoral Letter of Archbishop Bruno Forte
Why Go to Confession? (Part 2) - Pastoral Letter of Archbishop Bruno Forte
How To Make a Good Confession (especially if you haven't gone in years)
Why Go to Confession? (Part 3) - Pastoral Letter of Archbishop Bruno Forte
Pulling Sin up by the Roots: The Need for Mortification
Reasons for Confession [Sacrament of Reconciliation]
Cardinal Stafford's Homily at Penitential Liturgy With an Examination of Conscience
How to Go to Confession
Fr. Z’s 20 Tips For Making A Good Confession
Learning to Confess

60 posted on 08/19/2011 7:55:37 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Scripture

I. Jesus Christ Granted the Apostles His Authority to Forgive Sins

John 20:21 - before He grants them the authority to forgive sins, Jesus says to the apostles, “as the Father sent me, so I send you.” As Christ was sent by the Father to forgive sins, so Christ sends the apostles and their successors forgive sins.

John 20:22 - the Lord “breathes” on the apostles, and then gives them the power to forgive and retain sins. The only other moment in Scripture where God breathes on man is in Gen. 2:7, when the Lord “breathes” divine life into man. When this happens, a significant transformation takes place.

John 20:23 - Jesus says, “If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven. If you retain the sins of any, they are retained.” In order for the apostles to exercise this gift of forgiving sins, the penitents must orally confess their sins to them because the apostles are not mind readers. The text makes this very clear.

Matt. 9:8 - this verse shows that God has given the authority to forgive sins to “men.” Hence, those Protestants who acknowledge that the apostles had the authority to forgive sins (which this verse demonstrates) must prove that this gift ended with the apostles. Otherwise, the apostles’ successors still possess this gift. Where in Scripture is the gift of authority to forgive sins taken away from the apostles or their successors?

Matt. 9:6; Mark 2:10 - Christ forgave sins as a man (not God) to convince us that the “Son of man” has authority to forgive sins on earth.

Luke 5:24 - Luke also points out that Jesus’ authority to forgive sins is as a man, not God. The Gospel writers record this to convince us that God has given this authority to men. This authority has been transferred from Christ to the apostles and their successors.

Matt. 18:18 - the apostles are given authority to bind and loose. The authority to bind and loose includes administering and removing the temporal penalties due to sin. The Jews understood this since the birth of the Church.

John 20:22-23; Matt. 18:18 - the power to remit/retain sin is also the power to remit/retain punishment due to sin. If Christ’s ministers can forgive the eternal penalty of sin, they can certainly remit the temporal penalty of sin (which is called an “indulgence”).

2 Cor. 2:10 - Paul forgives in the presence of Christ (some translations refer to the presences of Christ as “in persona Christi”). Some say that this may also be a reference to sins.

2 Cor. 5:18 - the ministry of reconciliation was given to the ambassadors of the Church. This ministry of reconciliation refers to the sacrament of reconciliation, also called the sacrament of confession or penance.

James 5:15-16 - in verse 15 we see that sins are forgiven by the priests in the sacrament of the sick. This is another example of man’s authority to forgive sins on earth. Then in verse 16, James says “Therefore, confess our sins to one another,” in reference to the men referred to in verse 15, the priests of the Church.

1 Tim. 2:5 - Christ is the only mediator, but He was free to decide how His mediation would be applied to us. The Lord chose to use priests of God to carry out His work of forgiveness.

Lev. 5:4-6; 19:21-22 - even under the Old Covenant, God used priests to forgive and atone for the sins of others.

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II. The Necessity and Practice of Orally Confessing Sins

James 5:16 - James clearly teaches us that we must “confess our sins to one another,” not just privately to God. James 5:16 must be read in the context of James 5:14-15, which is referring to the healing power (both physical and spiritual) of the priests of the Church. Hence, when James says “therefore” in verse 16, he must be referring to the men he was writing about in verses 14 and 15 – these men are the ordained priests of the Church, to whom we must confess our sins.

Acts 19:18 - many came to orally confess sins and divulge their sinful practices. Oral confession was the practice of the early Church just as it is today.

Matt. 3:6; Mark 1:5 - again, this shows people confessing their sins before others as an historical practice (here to John the Baptist).

1 Tim. 6:12 - this verse also refers to the historical practice of confessing both faith and sins in the presence of many witnesses.

1 John 1:9 - if we confess are sins, God is faithful to us and forgives us and cleanse us. But we must confess our sins to one another.

Num. 5:7 - this shows the historical practice of publicly confessing sins, and making public restitution.

2 Sam. 12:14 - even though the sin is forgiven, there is punishment due for the forgiven sin. David is forgiven but his child was still taken (the consequence of his sin).

Neh. 9:2-3 - the Israelites stood before the assembly and confessed sins publicly and interceded for each other.

Sir. 4:26 - God tells us not to be ashamed to confess our sins, and not to try to stop the current of a river. Anyone who has experienced the sacrament of reconciliation understands the import of this verse.

Baruch 1:14 - again, this shows that the people made confession in the house of the Lord, before the assembly.

1 John 5:16-17; Luke 12:47-48 - there is a distinction between mortal and venial sins. This has been the teaching of the Catholic Church for 2,000 years, but, today, most Protestants no longer agree that there is such a distinction. Mortal sins lead to death and must be absolved in the sacrament of reconciliation. Venial sins do not have to be confessed to a priest, but the pious Catholic practice is to do so in order to advance in our journey to holiness.

Matt. 5:19 - Jesus teaches that breaking the least of commandments is venial sin (the person is still saved but is least in the kingdom), versus mortal sin (the person is not saved).


62 posted on 08/19/2011 10:54:39 PM PDT by johngrace (1 John 4)
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I am confused - does this mean that certain secular powers in Ireland are trying to subvert confession? And this could spread?

Please enlighten me.


63 posted on 08/19/2011 11:05:10 PM PDT by stonehouse01
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To: marshmallow

I am confused - does this mean that certain secular powers in Ireland are trying to subvert confession? And this could spread?

Please enlighten me.


64 posted on 08/19/2011 11:05:21 PM PDT by stonehouse01
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To: marshmallow

I am confused - does this mean that certain secular powers in Ireland are trying to subvert confession? And this could spread?

Please enlighten me.


65 posted on 08/19/2011 11:05:30 PM PDT by stonehouse01
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What? As cooler weather approaches we start up the wars of religion?

In Madrid the gathering of the Church’s youth brings out protestors waving condoms and screaming at nuns.

Where I live, as the friars walk between our church and their house, among those who drive by are those who think a Dominican habit justifies obscene abuse.

And here on FR an article about “the seal” is met almost immediately with strange accusations.

Good. God brings these people before us so that we know for whom it is that we must pray. Our call is clear.


201 posted on 08/21/2011 3:23:32 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: marshmallow

An amazing debate - most are not on topic - well tangentially so, I suppose.

On topic - Suppose one simply needs a lawyer or a doctor to trust with their confidences.

HIPPA laws, etc. are required.

On a secular basis alone one must at least hope for confidentiality.

So - why not in the confessional?

The issue got lost in the raging debate, (I think)


1,116 posted on 08/26/2011 9:46:52 PM PDT by stonehouse01
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