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How religion split the federal vote [in Canada]
The Vancouver Sun ^ | May 9, 2011 | Douglas Todd

Posted on 05/09/2011 12:31:58 PM PDT by Alex Murphy

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To: ccastle
They have the “numbers” for sure, since the only qualifications for being among their “numbers” is being baptized at infancy. However, the Church does not have the hearts and souls of those Catholics. That has not bearing on the truths of the Church. If someone owns a Ferrari and chooses to keep it in the garage, no one will know that they have a Ferrari.

Think "tortoise and the hare". Ferrari owners can brag about the max horsepower and speed of a Ferrari all they want. Unless they take that Ferrari out of the garage and prove it, it's just another episode of Seinfeld being played out.

I choose not to run!
"I choose not to run!"

41 posted on 05/10/2011 9:54:21 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed: he's hated on seven continents)
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Alex Murphy: Unless they take that Ferrari out of the garage and prove it, it’s just another episode of Seinfeld being played out——END

In order to prove it, only Catholics can do it. Unfortunately, practically all Catholics say the same thing, they want someone else to prove it (”it” being:do things God’s way and the world will change).

It has however been done for brief periods in history. It was done in Portugal from the late 1920’s till the late 1950’s, under Salazar. Portugal totally avoided the Spanish Civil War, and was spared from WWII. The people then started to go away from God, and were right back in the same cage as the rest of Europe.


42 posted on 05/10/2011 10:28:20 AM PDT by ccastle
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The NDP made huge gains among the Catholic vote in Quebec by promising near sovereignty. This is very key in Quebec, after the federal government forced the takeover of Catholic institutions in the 1960s and 1970s. Unfortunately, the NDP also demands gay marriage and abortion. Worse, I believe that the NDP is simply doing what Communists always do: promising the moon to the slighted. Still, it wouldn’t kill the Conservatives to learn how to appeal to the Quebecois.


43 posted on 05/13/2011 11:45:24 AM PDT by dangus
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I disagree with Buccaneer to the extent that Quebecois are less Catholic than even France. The Anglophone Montrealers certainly never were Catholic, and they are in numbers that surprised me (almost half of Montreal). But Quebec City and the Eastern townships are Catholic.

To answer Alex’s specific questions, most liberal Catholics in any nation no longer attend church, so it’s not a matter of being denied communion. Really, how strange is it that the issue even exists that people are saying, “We’re Catholic, we just don’t believe in Catholic values,” and the bishops are saying, “No, you’re not!”

Alex, have you ever heard of a Protestant denomination refusing communion to anyone?

But yes, in fact, the Catholic NDP guy from Quebec prior to the last election was actually denied communion. We’ll see how many are this time.


44 posted on 05/13/2011 12:02:15 PM PDT by dangus
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Don’t forget, there’s a sizable English minority in the Eastern Townships. I also knew a couple of guys at university from Shawinigin who were as Anglo as they come. Shawinigan is one third English.


45 posted on 05/13/2011 12:56:27 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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Alex, have you ever heard of a Protestant denomination refusing communion to anyone?

Not a chance of that happening in some Protestant churches. I've been to services where, on the way in, there's a table where you pick up two plastic containers of the type Chinese take out places use for soy sauce; one with a wafer, the other with grape juice. Then you hang on to them for an hour until it's time to "serve yourself."

46 posted on 05/13/2011 1:01:06 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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