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Deuterocanonical References in the New Testament
cin.org ^ | James Akin

Posted on 05/01/2011 4:42:03 AM PDT by GonzoII

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1 posted on 05/01/2011 4:42:06 AM PDT by GonzoII
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To: GonzoII
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What Old Testament are you coming from?

2 posted on 05/01/2011 5:02:05 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: GonzoII

I pick out a couple of his “references” at random and there’s no connection whatsoever. Who is this guy?


3 posted on 05/01/2011 5:08:01 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change
"I pick out a couple of his “references” at random and there’s no connection whatsoever. Who is this guy?"

I took the first reference and found the connection: Matthew 4:4 Wisdom 16:26 but others may not be so obvious as the the author states:

"Hebrews 11:35 is an indisputable reference to 2 Maccabees 7, but many are not so clear as there may be only a single phrase that echoes one in a deuterocanonical book (and this may not be obvious in the translation, but only the original languages).

This is the same with New Testament references to the protocanonical books of the Old Testament. How many New Testament references there are to the Old Testament depends in large measure on what you are going to count as a reference.

As a result, many scholarly works simply give an enormous catalogue of all proposed references and leave it to the individual interpreter to decide whether a given reference is actual or not.

4 posted on 05/01/2011 5:27:01 AM PDT by GonzoII (Quia tu es, Deus, fortitudo mea...Quare tristis es anima mea?)
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yes, folks seem to be looking for word for word matches...that isnt how it always works, deuters or protos...


5 posted on 05/01/2011 6:30:39 AM PDT by raygunfan
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To: GonzoII

The reference given for this info is a good one. You might also include the “Book of Enoch” directly referenced in Jude. Perhaps many Freepers are not aware of the sources which were available to the Old Testament and New Testament writers.


6 posted on 05/01/2011 6:47:41 AM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: GonzoII

Could we have DIRECT references with the citation “scripture says”?


7 posted on 05/01/2011 12:25:45 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Citizen Tom Paine

The book of Enoch is not even Deuterocanonical .


8 posted on 05/01/2011 12:27:36 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: GonzoII

Amazing list!


9 posted on 05/01/2011 4:51:34 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: GonzoII
Bible


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10 posted on 05/01/2011 4:52:36 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: RnMomof7

Why? It would make no difference.


11 posted on 05/01/2011 5:06:06 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: GonzoII

Thank you for demonstrating to a skeptic the need to READ THE ARTICLE!


12 posted on 05/01/2011 5:11:46 PM PDT by papertyger
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13 posted on 02/13/2012 7:41:22 PM PST by verga (Party like it is 1773)
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14 posted on 02/13/2012 7:44:39 PM PST by narses
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To: GonzoII

Thank you GonzoII.


15 posted on 02/14/2012 3:10:18 AM PST by sayuncledave (et Verbum caro factum est (And the Word was made flesh))
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To: GonzoII

The reason Luther decided to truncate the Old Testament was not because he looked for the apostolic authority but because the Deuterocanon especially makes mincemeat of his fake theology.


16 posted on 02/14/2012 5:55:55 AM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: GonzoII

Saint Paul also quoted Pagan Greek poets....but we don’t count them as canonical. Allusions to Jewish popular literature of the day (what the Apocrypha basically is...) does not make those books holy or authoritative scripture.

Protestants just follow the Jewish canon, and Roman Catholics innovated on that adding books (some of which are non-sense, like the Tobit legend, or Bell and the Dragon....).

Most Roman Catholic errors are actually innovations—developed many hundreds of years after the Apostles.

It is a fact, that the Jews don’t-—and haven’t for nearly 2000 years, accepted the Apocrypha—books by Jewish writers before Christ—as inspired Canon. Protestants just accept the Old Testament as the Jews wrote it, and passed it on to us....

Roman Catholics though, don’t trust the Jews (just look at the many centuries of antisemitism in Roman Catholic Europe...), therefore they don’t accept the Jewish Canon of the Old Testament.

To claim Protestants dreamed up the rejection of the Apocrypha is all too typical Roman Catholic apologist lying.


17 posted on 02/14/2012 2:33:28 PM PST by AnalogReigns (because REALITY is never digital...)
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To: annalex

Typical, willful ignorance on your part.

Luther simply followed the Jewish canon of the Old Testament as all Jews have known it—SINCE THE DAYS OF THE APOSTLES.

One would think that a religion would accept the list of holy books passed onto it by its mother religion—which is exactly what Protestants did—it is Rome that has ADDED junk BOOKS TO THE JEWISH CANON.

Judaism does not, and has never, accepted the Apocrypha—books written long before Jesus—as Holy Scripture. Why did Rome add them in?


18 posted on 02/14/2012 2:41:35 PM PST by AnalogReigns (because REALITY is never digital...)
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To: AnalogReigns
I am not a Jew, nor was Luther so far that I can tell. To refer to the Jewish canon to settle a Christian dispute is, at best, odd.

The Jewish canon excluded the Deuterocanonicals at the Council of Jamnia (c.70-90 AD) (wiki), just about the time they started expelling Christians from their midst.

Your position, and Luther's, is that of deniers of Christ. Characteristically, you called Holy Scripture "junk".

19 posted on 02/14/2012 5:50:49 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: hlmencken3

ping to #19


20 posted on 02/14/2012 6:52:50 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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