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To: MarkBsnr; Cronos
Isn't it strange that these folks say that Christ came only for a few? They deny Christ's very words

Nothing could be more shameful and disturbing than to deny Christ's very words. The ones written in red, so there can be no mistaking those words for anyone else's words.

Matthew 15:24: "But he answered her and said, I AM NOT SENT BUT UNTO THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL."

And who can forget those red words here: Matthew 10:5, where Christ commanded the twelve to "go NOT INTO THE WAY OF THE GENTILES".

What does the RCC teach about these red-words of Christ? Are they denied, or are they skipped over for nicer red words? It's very clear what they say. It's not just WHAT IS SAID, it's also WHY IT IS SAID.

784 posted on 03/28/2011 8:16:39 AM PDT by smvoice (The Cross was NOT God's Plan B.)
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To: smvoice
Nothing could be more shameful and disturbing than to deny Christ's very words. The ones written in red, so there can be no mistaking those words for anyone else's words.

Matthew 15:24: "But he answered her and said, I AM NOT SENT BUT UNTO THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL."

And who can forget those red words here: Matthew 10:5, where Christ commanded the twelve to "go NOT INTO THE WAY OF THE GENTILES".

Applause. Christ at that point was telling the Apostles to stick close to home and observe the ramifications of their interactions with the Jews. He was getting them ready for their eventual mission to the world, but they were not ready at that point. Luke 10 and Mark 6 both speak to this initial evangelization practice, as it were.

Luke 10:17 The seventy (-two) returned rejoicing, and said, "Lord, even the demons are subject to us because of your name."

Mark 6: 12 So they went off and preached repentance. 13 9 They drove out many demons, and they anointed with oil many who were sick and cured them.

Bingo. And what was their final mission to be, after Jesus had Ascended into Heaven?

Mark 16:. 14 (But) later, as the eleven were at table, he appeared to them and rebuked them for their unbelief and hardness of heart because they had not believed those who saw him after he had been raised. 15 He said to them, "Go into the whole world and proclaim the gospel to every creature. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved; whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17 These signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will drive out demons, they will speak new languages. 18 They will pick up serpents (with their hands), and if they drink any deadly thing, it will not harm them. They will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover." 19 So then the Lord Jesus, after he spoke to them, was taken up into heaven and took his seat at the right hand of God. 20 But they went forth and preached everywhere, while the Lord worked with them and confirmed the word through accompanying signs.) 3

Matthew 28: 18 11 Then Jesus approached and said to them, "All power in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Go, therefore, 12 and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. 13 And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age."

Jesus was readying the Apostles for their evangelizing mission to the whole world. That is the nice thing about believing the Church that Jesus has created for us. The Church skips over nothing; the Church does understand what the worlds mean and in what context.

Jesus could have converted all men in His time spent Incarnate, but He did not.

Jesus could have waved a magic wand and converted all men from Heaven, but He did not.

Jesus could have robotically programmed Adam and Eve to never have eaten from the fruit of the Tree, or else simply eliminated the Tree from the Garden, but He did not.

What do we have? We have ALL of the words of Jesus spoken as He wishes us to know them, in the order that He wishes us to know them, and in the context that He wishes us to know them.

The Apostles went their various ways - evidence from both Scriptural and extraScriptural writings of the times. Since Tradition and extra Scriptural writings both come into play here, before you say anything, yes I know that only a little of this is actually in the New Testament. However, this is a compilation of what I was able to find.

Matthew - martyred by sword in Ethiopia.
Mark - martyred by dragging from a horse in Alexandria.
Luke - martyred by hanging in Greece.
John - a bunch of close calls, but died peacefully.
Peter - crucified upside down in Rome.
James the Just - thrown off the southeast pinnacle of the Temple (allegedly where satan tempted Christ) and then beaten to death.
James the Greater - martyred by beheading in Jerusalem.
Bartholomew - martyred by flaying in Armenia.
Andrew - martyred by crucifixion in Patras, Greece.
Thomas - martyred by a spear thrust in India.
Jude - martyred with arrows (not sure where).
Matthias - stoned and then beheaded (not sure where).
Barnabas - stoned to death in Salonica
Paul - tortured and beheaded by the Emperor Nero.

This is the instruction to the Church - what Jesus meant and why. He had to teach them viscerally that they weren't just Jews anymore - and Peter had to learn the lesson from Paul again. But that is the Church - fallible men attempting what the infallible Christ instructs them to do. So as it was, so as it is and so as it ever shall be until the return of Christ.

792 posted on 03/28/2011 9:08:44 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: smvoice
It's very clear what they say. It's not just WHAT IS SAID, it's also WHY IT IS SAID.

Because they can't figure out what to do with it, they pretend Jesus didn't say it...

796 posted on 03/28/2011 9:24:53 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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