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To: WPaCon; HossB86
ONE of the definitions involves the Catholic church.

The Catholic church does not own the definition of heresy or have the claim to be able to define it solely, even though I'm sure they'd love to.

766 posted on 03/28/2011 7:24:07 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
The Catholic church does not own the definition of heresy or have the claim to be able to define it solely, even though I'm sure they'd love to.

It has been thus for 2000 years and it is not going to be given up to a pack of gibbering isolates who cannot from one week to the next figure out what it is that they do believe.

If you wish to define something as Presbyterian, or PCUSA, or PCA heresy, or heresy according to Joe and Mike's bar and salvation palace across the tracks from the welfare office and kitty corner to the crack house, with the tent in the backyard and the Pentecostal prayer hankies sold by the yard, then so be it.

Christian heresies are defined by the Christian authorities, not any Tom, Dick or Calvin who pulls his gaze from his navel just long enough to put an X on a mallfront store lease and start selling prayers from the Pentecostal prayer wheel.

772 posted on 03/28/2011 7:44:18 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: metmom; HossB86

“ONE of the definitions involves the Catholic church.”

That’s debatable, but it doesn’t matter. Only one definition needs to involve the Catholic Church. Are you suggesting that it is inaccurate to use a word, because it can also be used in a different sense?

I guess it’s wrong to say I boarded a plane at the airport, because another definition of plane is a flat surface.


803 posted on 03/28/2011 9:45:38 AM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: metmom

If you are one, then

We furthermore forbid any lay person to engage in dispute, either private or public, concerning the Catholic Faith. Whosoever shall act contrary to this decree, let him be bound in the fetters of excommunication. — Pope Alexander IV (1254-1261) in “Sextus Decretalium”, Lib. V, c. ii:

Do not converse with heretics even for the sake of defending the faith, for fear lest their words instil their poison in your mind. Bl. Isaias Boner of Krakow (Polish, Augustinian priest, theologian, professor of Scripture, d. 1471)

Thus, the Church forbids the faithful to communicate with those unbelievers who have forsaken the faith by corrupting it, such as heretics, or by renouncing it, such as apostates.

“the Church forbids the faithful to communicate with those unbelievers who have forsaken the faith they once received, either by corrupting the faith, as heretics, or by entirely renouncing the faith, as apostates, because the Church pronounces sentence of excommunication on both.” St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica

Is it permitted for Christians to be present at, or to take part in, conventions, gatherings, meetings, or societies of non-Catholics which aim to associate together under a single agreement everyone who, in any way, lays claim to the name of Christian? In the negative! - (Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos)

How does a Catholic sin against faith? A Catholic sins against Faith by Apostasy, heresy, indifferentism and by taking part in non-Catholic worship.” (Catechism of the Council of Trent, and the Baltimore Catechism)

“It is not permitted at all for the faithful to assist in any active manner at or to have any part in the worship of non-Catholics.” 1917 Code of Canon Law [Canon 1258]

“If any ecclesiastic or layman shall go into the synagogue of the Jews or to the meeting houses of the heretics to join in prayer with them, let them be deposed and deprived of communion. If any Bishops or Priest or Deacon shall join in prayer with heretics, let him be suspended from Communion” - III Council of Constantinople.

“One must neither pray nor sing psalms with heretics, and whoever shall communicate with those who are cut off from the communion of the Church, whether clergy or layman: let him be excommunicated”. (Council of Carthage)

“No one shall pray in common with heretics and schismatics” - Council of Laodicea.

Rome, Italy, Feb 19, 2010 / 02:03 pm (CNA).- The president of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, Cardinal Walter Kasper, announced this week that Pope Benedict XVI will visit the Evangelical Lutheran Church located in Rome on March 14 for an ecumenical celebration.

“He is a heretic who deviates from any article of faith.” The American Textbook of Popery, p 143, (quoting from the “Directory for the Inquisitors”).

“The intolerance of the Church toward error, the natural position of one who is the custodian of truth, her only reasonable attitude makes her forbid her children to read or to listen to heretical controversy, or to endeavor to discover religious truths by examining both sides of the question.” (Stapleton, Explanation of Catholic Morals, p. 35)

“..there are many who honor Sacred Scripture, taking it as a norm of belief and a pattern of life, and who show a sincere zeal. They lovingly believe in God the Father Almighty and in Christ, the Son of God and Saviour. (Cf. Jn. 16:13) They are consecrated by baptism, in which they are united with Christ. They also recognize and accept other sacraments within their own Churches or ecclesiastical [Protestant] communities..

They also share with us in prayer and other spiritual benefits. Likewise we can say that in some real way they are joined with us in the Holy Spirit, for to them too He gives His gifts and graces whereby He is operative among them with His sanctifying power. Some indeed He has strengthened to the extent of the shedding of their blood...-LUMEN GENTIUM: 16.


821 posted on 03/28/2011 10:39:30 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( "Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out," Acts 3:19)
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