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Catholic Sex Abuse Hearing Descends Into `Shut Up' Order and Charge of 'Abomination'
Courthouse News Service ^ | March 25, 2011 | Reuben Kramer

Posted on 03/26/2011 12:59:03 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg

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To: pgkdan; metmom
One of the stupidest things I've ever read on here.

Really? So you think it's okay that a defense attorney attended the same seminary at the same time the accused sexual assaults were taking place, and thus could reasonably be called as a witness?

41 posted on 03/26/2011 1:59:47 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: RnMomof7

Yep. That’s exactly the level of these kinds of conversations we’re having here.

It all comes down to the meaning of “is.”

No wonder the judge was furious.


42 posted on 03/26/2011 2:01:36 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

“RC apologists love to send others off on “evidence” gathering.”

Well, generally, wild assertions demand evidence.


43 posted on 03/26/2011 2:02:32 PM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: RnMomof7

Good point.


44 posted on 03/26/2011 2:02:55 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Roman Catholic priests rape children in their care because the "celibate" priesthood calls men who prefer the company of other men to the company of women and children.

This is complete and utter nonsense.

45 posted on 03/26/2011 2:03:19 PM PDT by stevem
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To: WPaCon

Read the thread.


46 posted on 03/26/2011 2:03:45 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: pgkdan

“One of the stupidest things I’ve ever read on here.”

I’ve seen MUCH stupider.

Even on this thread.


47 posted on 03/26/2011 2:03:48 PM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: stevem
The evidence says otherwise. Over three billion dollars paid out in recent sex abuse trials against pederast priests.

$3,000,000,000 and counting.

The fact that Roman Catholic apologists don't seem to have (or want) a clue about what is causing the destruction of their children is very sad indeed.

48 posted on 03/26/2011 2:06:59 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I don't see how reading the thread shows that the Catholic Church prefers homosexual priests.

It's one thing to say that there are homosexual priests in the Catholic Church. Everyone knows that. It's another thing, though, to say that homosexual priests are preferred.

49 posted on 03/26/2011 2:07:08 PM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: Cicero

Actually sounds like a mistrial for many reasons.


50 posted on 03/26/2011 2:09:08 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Is the accusation that the attorney may be a witness in the case being tried, or that the attorney witnessed another incident of the same type of crime?


51 posted on 03/26/2011 2:09:26 PM PDT by gitmo (Hatred of those who think differently is the left's unifying principle.-Ralph Peters NY Post)
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To: buccaneer81

And they will get bad conduct discharges after serving a long time in the brig.

Most will follow orders.


52 posted on 03/26/2011 2:10:53 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: WPaCon
Men usually get want they want. It's human nature.

If a man wants a wife and children, they will work toward achieving that Godly goal.

If a man prefers the company of other men, enjoys dressing up in long gowns and red shoes and bejeweled headgear, and demands that the world sees him as "another Christ," then that man will most likely get what he desires.

And from this deceitful heart, corruption reigns down.

"those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

These are the things which defile a man" -- Matthew 15:18-20


53 posted on 03/26/2011 2:15:27 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: gitmo

From the article the conflict stems from the possibility that one of the defense attorneys attended the same seminary at the same time the alleged abuse was taking place.


54 posted on 03/26/2011 2:17:54 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The evidence says otherwise. Over three billion dollars paid out in recent sex abuse trials against pederast priests. $3,000,000,000 and counting.

Roman Catholic priests rape children in their care because the "celibate" priesthood calls men who prefer the company of other men to the company of women and children.

There aren't enough bytes in an on-line encyclopedia to show the illogic of trying to grind one of these into the other. Suffice it to say when you build syllogisms while your major premise is complete and utter nonsense, your conclusion will be, at the very least, suspect.

55 posted on 03/26/2011 2:21:54 PM PDT by stevem
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Numerous judges through the years have simply ignored the criminal complicity of lawyers and moved ahead to trial without further thought ~ that was particularly so where the defendant was a Mafioso.

Like they say you can be a witness or an attorney on the case, but not both ~ and to a degree there is a choice. The problem here is the judge claims privileged knowledge to make her point so I'd guess it might be a fair argument to suggest you can be the judge or a witness.

Whatever the rules are they should apply the same to all parties in a trial else we will run into one of these deals where the perp eventually walks due to a decision of an appeals court that there was error at the trial court.

Is the prosecutor Catholic BTW, anyone know?

56 posted on 03/26/2011 2:23:25 PM PDT by muawiyah (Make America Safe For Amercans)
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To: Salvation
Thought you weren't going to let Satan's catamites get under your skin during Lent?
Let it go. Say a prayer for the damned.
57 posted on 03/26/2011 2:38:13 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: redgolum
Actually sounds like a mistrial for many reasons.

Agreed. The priests may well be guilty, but it sounds as if the Prosecutor is misbehaving and the Judge has totally lost it.

You just don't talk like that from the bench, no matter what the provocation.

58 posted on 03/26/2011 2:47:45 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: IrishCatholic
"Say a prayer for the damned."

Other than this makes no sense (once you are damned no prayers will help), whatever happened to Jesus' admonition "judge not lest ye be judged"?

Not pickin a fight. Just sayin.

59 posted on 03/26/2011 2:49:56 PM PDT by Ex-Wretch
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
From the article the conflict stems from the possibility that one of the defense attorneys attended the same seminary at the same time the alleged abuse was taking place.

Well, suppose I went to college at the same time someone in the administration was taking bribes - and later I was a lawyer in the case one way or another but had never crossed paths with the perps. I just went to the same school they worked at. What would it matter? But you see, they must be saying he is a witness, so they need to lay their evidence on the table or shut up. Otherwise it's our old friend guilt by association.

60 posted on 03/26/2011 2:59:04 PM PDT by Puddleglum (dance with the horse that brung ya)
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