Catholic Sex Abuse Hearing Descends Into `Shut Up' Order and Charge of 'Abomination'

Courthouse News Service ^ | March 25, 2011 | Reuben Kramer

[Dr. Eckleburg]

I don't care if you have trouble with finding a source to back up your wild claims

For the fourth time, what is the "wild claim" you're disputing?

[presently no screen name]

Like I said, I never had a photobucket incident.

Yes, you said it often enough because you were asked when you continue posting the pixs. I remember it well.

It was Quix and Titanites, not me.

What was Quix???? You were posting the photobucket pixs.

[Running On Empty]

For crying out loud, please bring this dispute to a merciful end. I don’t think it’s becoming for or to anyone.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

lol. Ping to 1,139.

[presently no screen name]

You aren’t being accused of anything, I am. And it’s not easy for some to come forth. Sorry, it’s is disturbing the thread but it could be the reason this all started.

[presently no screen name]

ROFLOL!

[presently no screen name]

For the fourth time, what is the "wild claim" you're disputing?

Probably nothing, it seems to be the RF sport when the topic is the sins of their church.

Meanwhile their church puts themselves above God's Word and now they are in the hands of the law for crimes against society. SSSHHH! It's not to be spoken about - silence is golden - they learned that from the PA RCC official who kept crimes hidden.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Of course, no one has to participate or even read the threads

Correct.

What we see on the Religion Forum is that one man's fact is another man's irritation. You can't please everyone. Some people on this forum see ANY statement of Biblcial truth as "anti-_____ bias."

We're called to study and rightly divide the word of God.

But the bottom line is what the Religion Moderator wrote in POST 342...

"There is no anti-Catholic bias on the Religion Forum. If there were, there would not be more pro-Catholic RF articles than pro-any other belief.

"Posters who are uncomfortable when their beliefs, deities or religious authorities are condemned or ridiculed should clearly IGNORE "open" RF threads and instead post to threads labeled "caucus" "ecumenical" "prayer" or 'devotional.'"

The fact that some people cannot or will not abide by the rules does not bring shame on anyone other than those posters who can't comment without "making it personal."

[Dr. Eckleburg]

That's a tactic of the opposition -- deny the evidence while always demanding more of it.

Round and round and round. Apparently they think that dumb ploy goes unnoticed.

For the most part, that's all they've got.

[Cronos]

Why don't you OPC types admit that your group hates every Christian?

here's proof

The OPC (OrthodoPresbyterian C) and PCA (Presbyterian C in America) attack on American Christians

OPC/PCA preaching hatred against Pentecostals	from the OPC doctrinal website {the OPC} sharply contradicts the view popularized today by the neo-Pentecostal movement. In essence this view would have us believe that we can have the same charismatic gifts that we read about in the age of the Apostles - such as prophecy, speaking in tongues, and healing - today. This is a very serious error (of the Pentecostals). In essence it is a result of a failure to grasp the Biblical teaching concerning the history of salvation.
OPC/PCA preaching hatred against Lutherans	"The liberal church teaching of free will has infected the Lutherans, too, in contradiction to what Martin Luther taught from Scripture" by an OPC poster:
OPC/PCA preaching hatred against Pentecostals and Methodists:	From the opc doctrinal website: . Are Arminian (Methodists, Pentecostals, Baptist etc) preachers heretics? yes . Is Arminianism (Methodism, Pentecostalism, Baptists) a damnable heresy? Yes. . the teachings of Arminianism are contrary to Scripture, they are manifestly false. They are serious perversions of the gospel of Jesus Christ "we see the inherent Satanism of Free-Will Arminianism" (accusing Methodists, Pentecostals, etc. who disagree with Calvin of preaching a gospel of Satan
OPC/PCA preaching hatred against Methodists	"John Wesley preached Universal Infant Damnation for unbaptized infants -- which is unsurprising, because Wesley preached the Gospel of Satan" by a PCA poster
OPC/PCA preaching hatred against Judaism	Acording to the OPC "Christians should not celebrate the Seder or other Jewish festivals. "
OPC/PCA preaching hatred against Pentecostals and Catholics together as targets of the OPC/PCA message of hate	The PCA view: "This goes to what the Reformers taught; that is the "enthusiasts" or what we call today Pentecostals, are really no different from the Roman Catholics." And I think this is one reason why it is easy for certain evangelicals, often from the "enthusiast" wing, find it easy to become Roman Catholic.
OPC/PCA preaching hatred and evil against Christians martyred by Moslems in the Middle East	This man followed the wrong teachings of Rome and we know what happens to such people. Heaven is for the elect.
preaching hatred against the Eastern Orthodox	Insinuating that the E. Orthodox are not helping others in Japan
preaching hatred against Adventists	The Adventists are a cult that is as dangerous as the Jehovahs Witnesses or the Mormons
revealing their true beliefs that Christianity means only Calvinism and only their particular brand of Calvinism	OPC poster: "That's Christianity. That's Calvinism" OPC " The problem with non-denominational churches is that there's nothing to stop the congregation from deciding to become Mormon or Unitarian, etc. There is something to be said for a diagonal form of church structuring, like the Presbyterians -- organized by a representative group of congregants. This actually strengthens the Christian imperative rather than dilutes it as so many non-denominational churches tend to do." "Calvinism is the Gospel and to teach Calvinism is in fact to preach the Gospel." Arthur C. Custance, The Sovereignty of Grace, 1979. "Calvinism is evangelicalism in its purest and only stable expression." B.B. Warfield, Calvin and Augustine, ed. Samuel G. Craig, 1956 "We believe with the great Baptist preacher, Charles Haddon Spurgeon, that Calvinism is just another name for Christianity." John H. Gerstner, Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth: A Critique of Dispensationalism, 1991.

[Cronos]

Let's see what wonderful news is preached by the OPC cult:

• That many of the unborn children (victims of baby-killers etc) will still go to hell, condemned by the OPC/PCA version of God
• that they are alone among the upper caste of people who will be saved irrespective of their lives
• that those who are not PCA/OPC are not elect and are damnable heretics (this includes all Pentecostals, Methodists, Lutherans, Catholics, Orthodox, Anglicans, Orientals, Mennonites, etc.)
• A man was damned or saved; and it was not of his doing. The recognition of evil as equal with good, which rapidly becomes the worship of evil (the great Manichean heresy, which has roots as old as mankind; the permanent motive of Fear). They ascribe to God all our suffering, and, for most of us, necessary and eternal suffering.
• They preach a syncretic mixed form of Hinduism and Christianity. They say that The Father predestinated the plan and the Son and Spirit agreed to the plan . God the Father is "conferencing" with the Son and the Spirit. As three seperate Gods. This is the OPC/PCA disclosure of their polytheism
• They add to this by saying "There is no warrant in the scriptures for prayers to anyone other than God the Father. He is God and He is called Lord and Jesus, Paul and John address prayers solely to Him."
• They preach exlusively from the writings of Paul and of Calvin, equating them and now there seems to be an elevation of Gresham Machen especially in the OPC by insinuations that St. Paul was senile

[Cronos]

>This is what an ex-Ruling Elder of the OPC says about the OrthodpPresbyterian Cult

From the Trinity Foundation

• the Report continues the conspiracy of silence that has prevailed in the OPC for three decades. It leaves the erroneous impression that the serious doctrinal problems are outside the denomination, not within it. The Report gives false comfort to those who think the OPC is still a bastion of Biblical orthodoxy. On the contrary, the Report, and the 2006 General Assembly’s commendation of it, both maintain the OPC as a safe haven for those who teach error
• Men within the OPC, including at least one member of the Committee itself, teach heresy regarding the Gospel and many other fundamentals of the faith.
• The OPC long ago ceased to proclaim the one true Gospel to the exclusion of all false gospels
• The Orthodox Presbyterian Church has abandoned the marks of a true church of Jesus Christ
• The Orthodox Presbyterian Church was founded in 1936 by about 135 people who were offended by the lack of discipline in and doctrinal errors of the Presbyterian Church in the USA. .
  But early in its history the OPC fell under the influence of an agnostic view of propositional revelation emanating from Westminster Seminary -- a view that said that there is no identity of content between the \"Christian system\" of theology, meaning Reformed confessions of faith, and the \"divine system\" of theology, known only to God.
  
  This agnosticism has now brought the OPC to the point of falling. Like its predecessor, the PCUSA, the OPC has failed to discipline teachers who teach contrary to Scriptures and the Confession of Faith, and it has endorsed un-Biblical teaching about Scripture and the Gospel.

[Cronos]

Nice try -- let's remind daniel and metmom what your OPC group says about them:

The problem with non-denominational churches is that there's nothing to stop the congregation from deciding to become Mormon or Unitarian, etc.
There is something to be said for a diagonal form of church structuring, like the Presbyterians -- organized by a representative group of congregants. This actually strengthens the Christian imperative rather than dilutes it as so many non-denominational churches tend to do.

Ohh-- so do you really think that Daniel, Metmom and Quix's groups are headed towards Mormonism or Unitarianism?

[Cronos]

your group, Dr. E, Gamecock the OPC/PCA cult believes this about the Pentecostals and Unitarians

Unitarian Universalism is the first step on the highway to hell. This is the way we see the different pentecostal denominations heading, like the Oneness Pentecostals who have already thrown out one Christian belief, so why not this?

Nice try to divert the conversation, when we know for a fact that you guys from the PCA/OPC hate pentecostals, methodists (calling them damnable heretics and preachers of a satanic bible), Lutherans, Baptists etc, not to mention Unitarians.

Your cult, the OPC is just 20,000 odd -- a larger version of the Westboro BC and yet your group claims to speak for all Protestants --> even though your group, the OPC despises all who are not in the OPC -- schizophrenic is the word

[Cronos]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2696138/posts is pretending to be conservative. We know that one of these leftist anti-Christians (Hank kerchief) was exposed after a few years. But, WPA,Mark, Last remember that there are other anti-Christians here who just want to foment discord between Christians. You can see it in their very posts.

Most post fake threads pretending to be conservative while covering up their anti-Catholic, anti-Christian agenda. They have rejected Christ and now just do the work of the leftists in attacking Christianity and fomenting discord.

Isn't that what the OPC preaches, Dr. E?

[Cronos]

It's incredible how many of the OPC cultists are like the NYT and other communist-atheist types who understand that if you wish to attack Christ, you must attack the Catholic Church

Dr E -- the posts from the OPC cultists remind me of Hank-kerchief's

Hank-kerchief who started all threads to set up Catholics versus Protestants and then anti-Pentecostals, anti-Methodist etc. posts

. What was strange was even after it was revealed that he was a leftist writer who writes anti-Christian pieces, the familiar band of anti-Catholics (like the thread poster here) still stuck on the thread.

The fact is that this group of rabid anti-Catholics (who keep posting threads attacking Catholicism and keep trying to incite CAtholic-Protestant fights) are just aiming to hurt Christianity as a whole

[Cronos]

I see you got attacked by the wolf-pack, MinuteGal

The sad truth is that many of those who go about attacking Catholic and other freepers are closet leftists. Check out the posts by a poster called HankKerchief. He was later exposed as an anti-Christian leftist who had been on FR for years.

We have other leftists here who only post threads like this one or similar ones (check out the posts attacking Pentecostals or Methodists or Adventists) -- they just want to:

1. Malign the name of FR so that it gets the reputation as an anti-Mormon, anti-Catholic, anti-Methodist, anti-Orthodox, anti-Pentecostal etc. website
2. They wish to malign conservatives as a whole.
3. They know that FR is googlable, so they wish to malign the good name of freerepublic.com

[count-your-change]

Whether right or wrong I can’t say but since the two agree to a large extent they’re both one or the other in the same way.

Anyhow,...... that’s the two that other sites seem to often quote so no use in repeating them.

[Cronos]

You mean like these numbers?

	2009 membership	2010 membership	Lost	Gained
PCUSA	2,934,952	2,844,952	90,000
PCA	335,000	340,000		5,500
OPC	21,123	21,530		407
		Disappearing Presbyerians	84,100

The PCA is 300,000 in membership

2011 Church Membership: Southern Baptists Decline; Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons Increase

And PCA statistics provide a blurry snapshot says that Total membership in 2009 – 346,408, an increase of 5,556.

Take this with the fact that the OPC preaches hatred against Pentecostals, Methodists, Jews, Lutherans, Baptists, Catholics, Orthodox, Adventists etc. and that the OPC is heading for it's third and final split, the indicators are that this cult is headed for it's disintegration before it completes 100 years (in 2032)

[Gamecock]

It seems like you should be more concerned about

CATHOLICS RAPING CHILDREN than your own misconceptions in the Presbyterian Church