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Church Update on Response to Japan Earthquake and Tsunami (Mormon)
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| March 14, 2011
| Press Release
Posted on 03/15/2011 10:46:10 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
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To: RBranha
These people are from families that are muslim, and they left when they accepted Christ as their Personal Savior. These are some of the most on fire, Spirit filled Christians I have ever known.
You can not be a Christian and also practice islam.
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posted on
03/15/2011 2:40:28 PM PDT
by
svcw
(Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: svcw
These people are from families that are muslim, and they left when they accepted Christ as their Personal Savior. These are some of the most on fire, Spirit filled Christians I have ever known. You can not be a Christian and also practice islam.
I'm trying to understand the definition of "Christian Muslim". What does such a person believe? If they are truly Spirit-filled Christians, why would they call themselves Christian Muslim?
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posted on
03/15/2011 2:49:28 PM PDT
by
RBranha
(Captialism is the natural outgrowth of human freedom.)
To: greyfoxx39
Nice list, gf, but I didn’t mean to imply that no other organizations were present in Haiti. There’s plenty of room for everybody to help out when such disasters strike. :-)
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posted on
03/15/2011 2:52:20 PM PDT
by
RBranha
(Captialism is the natural outgrowth of human freedom.)
To: RBranha
Really? It’s just a term they use. They could say Persian Christians, or Iranian Christians, or Iraqi Christians or Kenyan Christians...I don’t know it doesn’t bother me. When they are saying muslim they are not saying islamic Christians.
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posted on
03/15/2011 2:52:56 PM PDT
by
svcw
(Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
To: svcw
Really? Its just a term they use. They could say Persian Christians, or Iranian Christians, or Iraqi Christians or Kenyan Christians...I dont know it doesnt bother me. When they are saying muslim they are not saying islamic Christians.
"Muslim" must contribute some meaning to the term or they wouldn't use it, and "Muslim" doesn't refer to a place like "Persian" or "Iranian" or "Kenyan". Muslim refers to adherents of Islam, so far as I know.
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posted on
03/15/2011 3:00:39 PM PDT
by
RBranha
(Captialism is the natural outgrowth of human freedom.)
To: RBranha; svcw; greyfoxx39
I believe they are doing more than assessing, but the full scope of their effort is more than can be communicated in a press release.Perhaps. But you've underestimated the Mormon church PR machine.
Take Haiti last year, for instance. The Mormon church was highlighting all that it was doing, as if we should trumpeting the details of our almsgiving for all the world to see.
(Even then, 'twas a mere pittance of the billions they rake in every year)
To: RBranha
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posted on
03/15/2011 3:07:38 PM PDT
by
svcw
(Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
To: RBranha; All
You have no idea what the LDS church is doing, other than what was mentioned in the article. I know you want to believe that they have done nothing other than what was mentioned, but your assumption is incorrect. If you are willing to use Google, in the coming days you will find that the Mormons have been doing a lot more since Friday than what you can see in a press release.
I am convinced there is no low the anti-Mormon gang on FR won’t stoop to, to attack the LDS Church. It is beyond both absurd and pitiful.
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posted on
03/15/2011 3:09:28 PM PDT
by
Paragon Defender
(Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil....)
To: Colofornian
"as if we should trumpeting the details of our almsgiving"
This shows a point I alluded to earlier. If the mormons don't say they're doing something, they get bashed on here for not doing anything. If they say they're doing something, they get bashed for "trumpeting." Either way, the small minds win.
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posted on
03/15/2011 3:12:06 PM PDT
by
RBranha
(Captialism is the natural outgrowth of human freedom.)
To: svcw
Really? Its just a term they use. They could say Persian Christians, or Iranian Christians, or Iraqi Christians or Kenyan Christians...I dont know it doesnt bother me.
Just like "Muslim", "Mormon" isn't a place, either, but rather a term used to refer to adherents of a religion. So you wouldn't mind "Christian Mormons" or "Mormon Christians"?
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posted on
03/15/2011 3:15:15 PM PDT
by
RBranha
(Captialism is the natural outgrowth of human freedom.)
To: RBranha
An apologetic, totally at odds with the story it is trying to obfuscate and the testimony of those involved.
A large building is capable of holding more than a few government workers.
If such a structure cannot be a shelter in a storm, what good is it.
If the decision and resource allocation process is that deficient - to allow a government enitity to ‘take over’ the building without clearly specified conditions that the lds agree too further adds to the questionable nature of the apologetic.
Guess it is easier for the mormon church to spend 4 billion in a SLC shopping mall eh?
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posted on
03/15/2011 3:15:21 PM PDT
by
Godzilla
(3-7-77)
To: Godzilla
An apologetic, totally at odds with the story it is trying to obfuscate and the testimony of those involved. A large building is capable of holding more than a few government workers.
You're really grasping here. You didn't know the building was being used by the Haitian government until I told you, and now you claim to know that it was being used by "a few government workers." This, while you fail to mention the 9 other mormon church buildings that were being used as shelters.
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posted on
03/15/2011 3:19:51 PM PDT
by
RBranha
(Captialism is the natural outgrowth of human freedom.)
To: RBranha
Apparently neither did the bishop of the chapel.
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posted on
03/15/2011 3:21:06 PM PDT
by
Godzilla
(3-7-77)
To: RBranha
Well, it took you long enough to get there - nice job.
If you can't see the difference here I can't help you, except to say this: mormons who say mormon Christian are trying to convince the observer that they are in fact Christian, they are not. Where as when a person uses the term mulsim Christian, they are saying from where they came. (There is no muslim religion, it is called islam.)
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posted on
03/15/2011 3:21:06 PM PDT
by
svcw
(Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
To: RBranha; greyfoxx39; svcw
I see that a lot of very tiny people are providing their aid to the Japanese people by belittling the efforts of others, and doing it from the safety and comfort of their computer chairs.Sunday night, I saw a FR thread critiquing Obama's seeming care-free response...are you going to go into that thread and from the ease & comfort of YOUR computer chair, call those FREEPERS "tiny" too...or are you always that inconsistent? Is Obama's "efforts" to aid Japan unassailable?
Bitterness is so unbecoming...
What? Is that a magic pet rock, a urim & thummim, or a Magic 8-ball that gives you the ability to read complete strangers' inner emotions and/or motivations?
You're pretty sick if you think you have those kind of psychological abilities.
To: Colofornian
I've read a lot of your posts, Colofornian, and I'm reminded of Emerson : A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.
Many of us on FR would appreciate it if you were to get a blog and use it to obsess over the mormons instead of doing it here.
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posted on
03/15/2011 3:28:03 PM PDT
by
RBranha
(Captialism is the natural outgrowth of human freedom.)
To: svcw
they are saying from where they came.
What's the capital of Muslim? Who's the president or prime minister?
There is no muslim religion, it is called islam.
And a person who adheres to the tenets of islam is called a Muslim.
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posted on
03/15/2011 3:32:35 PM PDT
by
RBranha
(Captialism is the natural outgrowth of human freedom.)
To: RBranha
This shows a point I alluded to earlier. If the mormons don't say they're doing something, they get bashed on here for not doing anything. If they say they're doing something, they get bashed for "trumpeting."Not it at all.
The Mormons' track record, including Japan, is that they are ready to trumpet the Mormon church response to disaster. They've already done it.
The issue is simple:
(1) They haven't sat back & claimed to do nothing -- so nobody's bashed them for that...rather, for misprioritizing. (Have you always had problems reading plain English released on press releases?)
Therefore, you're badly misinterpreting the critiques.
(2) Their track record has NEVER been to sit back & not claim to respond to disasters. (So why do you keep harping on this strawman?)
So, since you don't seem to be able to understand plain english in press releases; and plain critiques, allow me to help you:
From the track record of the Mormon church's PR dept perspective, the Question has never been whether the Mormon church should promote their almsgiving or not. (They always have)
And from this last press release, the question on the table of this particular thread wasn't done to critique the Mormon church's supposed "do nothing" approach...because the Mormon church has done something.
They've looked after their own. Period. Or if this was a telegram, it'd read: "Stop."
To: RBranha
Ok, then just to make you feel better I will ask them to stop calling themselves this and even to pay to change the sign on their church and only to refer to themselves as Christians. Will you feel better then?
So we are clear no matter how agitated you are by their name, mormonISM is still not Christianity.
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posted on
03/15/2011 3:40:30 PM PDT
by
svcw
(Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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