[Lorica]

Paul meant works of the Law. Elsewhere, he says just that. And here he says “you have been saved,” which is initial justification, which comes by unmerited grace, which is exactly what the Church teaches. That is not the same as ongoing salvation, which must be “worked out in fear and trembling.”

[metmom]

Where does he say that?

What other good works could there be? Are there works outside the Law that are good and how do you know?

[metmom]

What about (Eph2:)"9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. " is so hard to understand? It doesn't specify which works and the main point isn't which works it is, but that it's not by them to preclude boasting. That's the main point of the verse which too many people seem to miss.

Salvation is God's doing, not ours. His righteousness is imputed to us. What can we add that would make us more righteous?

He forgives us. If we're forgiven, we're forgiven. There is no sin to condemn us and therefore no need for works to redeem us, which they can't anyway.

Galatians 2:20-21 20I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.

Isn't what Jesus did good enough? Isn't his righteousness credited to our account enough? How can our righteousness, which is as filthy rags in God's sight, contribute to our redemption? How can they be added to the righteousness of Christ?

[Dr. Eckleburg]

And here he says “you have been saved,” which is initial justification

So if a person "has been saved," how is justification simply "initial" and not transformative?

"Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him." -- Romans 5:9

"Initial justification."

lol. Rome just makes stuff up.

Justification by Christ is what determines our salvation. Once accomplished, it is not possible to undo. Show us the verses that say men can be unjustified.

[boatbums]

Paul meant works of the Law. Elsewhere, he says just that. And here he says “you have been saved,” which is initial justification, which comes by unmerited grace, which is exactly what the Church teaches. That is not the same as ongoing salvation, which must be “worked out in fear and trembling.”

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[HossB86]

"... which is initial justification,...."

Hmmm. "Initial" justification. What exactly IS justification?

Is not justification our being declared righteous in the eyes of God? How can one be "initially" declared righteous by God? Can God make mistake? So it would seem we are either justified by the blood of Christ, or we are not, no?

You cannot have it both ways: either God is sovereign, holy, and perfect... or He is not.

If I'm not mistaken, Roman Catholicism teaches that justification is an ongoing issue. And this is where Roman Catholicism fails and adds to God's word that which God's word does not teach.

Hoss

[CynicalBear]

>>“worked out in fear and trembling.”<<

“Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.” John 6:28-29