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Mark 12:25 and Marriage in Heaven [Mormonism/Anti-Christian]
Mormonism Research Ministry ^ | Eric Johnson

Posted on 02/08/2011 7:32:30 PM PST by delacoert

"For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven." Mark 12:25

In an account given in the Synoptic Gospels (Matthew 22:23-33; Mark 12:18-27; Luke 20:27-38), Jesus was approached by members of the Sadducees, the Jewish religious party that did not believe in a bodily resurrection from the dead. In an attempt to trick Him, these leaders presented what appears to be a hypothetical situation involving seven brothers. When the oldest brother died, he left a wife and no children. As was the custom in those days, the next oldest unmarried brother took the woman for his wife. However, the second brother died, as did the third through seventh brothers. Before they died, each of them had married the oldest brother's wife, making her a widow seven times over.

The question they asked Jesus was: "In the resurrection therefore, when they shall rise, whose wife shall she be of them? For the seven had her to wife" (Mark 12:23). Jesus chastised his inquisitors, saying in verse 25 that those who die would "neither marry nor are given in marriage."

At face value and as it has been historically interpreted, Jesus appears to be saying that heaven will be much different than life as we know it on earth. We may wonder why Jesus and the biblical writers didn't give more specific details about heaven, but to the question that asked about the afterlife, Jesus told them that they erred "because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God." He repeated his condemnation in verse 27.

While the gift of sex and procreation is a very important part of this earthly life, Jesus clearly taught that neither of these will play a role in the afterlife. The future joy God has in store for the believer is incredibly more magnificent than the temporary pleasure of sexual fulfillment. In addition, there will be no need to procreate in heaven. Thus, while it appears we will be able to recognize fellow believers and family members who are Christian in heaven, there is no indication from the Bible that we will be eternally paired up with a particular mate. Historically, Christians view all believers as part of God's great family rather than millions of smaller groups.

However, Mormon leaders have interpreted this passage quite differently than the historic Christian view. LDS Apostle Bruce R. McConkie wrote: "What then is the Master Teacher affirming by saying, 'in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven'? He is not denying but limiting the prevailing concept that there will be marrying and giving in marriage in heaven. He is saying that as far as 'they' (the Sadducees) are concerned, that as far as 'they' ('the children of this world') are concerned, the family unit does not and will not continue in the resurrection. Because he does not choose to cast his pearls before swine, and because the point at issue is not marriage but resurrection anyway, Jesus does not here amplify his teaching to explain that there is marrying and giving of marriage in heaven only for those who live the fulness of gospel law-a requirement which excludes worldly people" (Doctrinal New Testament Commentary 1:605,606).

Agreeing and saying that this was not "the Lord's final word on the subject" since the question was a trap set by Jesus" enemies, David H. Yarn, Jr., a BYU professor emeritus of philosophy and religion, said, "The Lord did not say there would be no people in the married state in the resurrection but that there would be no marriages made in the resurrection" (A Sure Foundation, p. 115).

Some Mormon leaders have read their own interpretations into this passage, explaining that this wife had been eternally sealed to the first husband. For instance, LDS Apostle James E. Talmage wrote: "The Lord's meaning was clear, that in the resurrected state there can be no question among the seven brothers as to whose wife for eternity the woman shall be, since all except the first had married her for the duration of mortal life only, and primarily for the purpose of perpetuating in mortality the name and family of the brother who first died." (Jesus the Christ, p.548).

It appears that the only biblical reference to the possibility of marriage continuing after death is Revelation 19:7-9, but this passage is talking about "the marriage supper of the Lamb" where the bride (God's people) is invited. Therefore, it appears that the above Mormon authorities such as McConkie and Talmage have to make their conclusions based on mere presuppositions. While these explanations may sound good to a Mormon audience that cherishes the institution of marriage-but so have Christians for 2,000 years!-the ability to read between the lines of Jesus' teaching does not make a doctrine true.

The Mormon leaders are unable to provide any additional support from the Bible as to the importance of an"everlasting principle" and "eternal covenant" known as celestial marriage. How many people would, upon reading this Synoptic Gospel account in conjunction with the teachings of the Bible, exclaim, "This proves the biblical principle of eternal marriage"? Rather than supporting the view of eternal marriage, then, Jesus explained that the institution of marriage was for this life only and not the life to come. To assume anything more is biblically and exegetically unsound.



TOPICS: Theology
KEYWORDS: antimormonrant; inman; lds; mormonism
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To: svcw

So “whatever” does not mean “whatever”...something like “it depends on what the meaning of is is”.


21 posted on 02/09/2011 1:24:04 PM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: ejonesie22

Well then, it should be no problem to duplicate his achievements. In 180 years, you should have more than 14 million in your church that you found. You should get busy.


22 posted on 02/09/2011 1:26:29 PM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat

Reminding you to read in context is not prophetic, read all the versus in context.


23 posted on 02/09/2011 1:41:37 PM PST by svcw (God doesn't show up in our time, but He shows up on time)
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat; ejonesie22
Well, so the billions and billions in 2000 years in Christ's Church Body are what chopped liver?
Just a side note, lds do not claim Joseph Smith founded lds, they say he restored Christianity. Really should keep the words correct when stating you position.

24 posted on 02/09/2011 1:45:22 PM PST by svcw (God doesn't show up in our time, but He shows up on time)
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat

I am already a member of the body of the Real Christ, no need to create some scam to equal the con man Smith...


25 posted on 02/09/2011 1:51:29 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: svcw
Just a side note, lds do not claim Joseph Smith founded lds, they say he restored Christianity. Really should keep the words correct when stating you position.

Fraudian slip...

All Mormons see Smith as the leader of the Church, no Christ, that is just a brand name....

(Oh, BTW shhh... don't tell anyone that... Praise to the MAN!)

26 posted on 02/09/2011 1:53:55 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ejonesie22

You were the one that said it was no big deal. You should have to prove it was nothing. You really have to enlist the help of 2 billions of prior Christians to get it done?


27 posted on 02/09/2011 2:02:37 PM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: ejonesie22
BTW, see how it is “Smith's Achievement”, not Christs...

Interesting, you will never hear a Methodist say that the growth of their church was all due to John Wesley, it was Christ...

Same with any other Christian faith...

Of course the LDS are not Christians, they are Smithians..

28 posted on 02/09/2011 2:05:00 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat
What in the blue blazes are you talking about?

This is simply about Smith as a “prophet”, which he wasn't..

This is not about creating a cult, numbers or whatever. Hubbard did it too with Scientology, you think he's a “prophet”, Scientology a legit religion?

I know it is SOP to deflect but come on...

29 posted on 02/09/2011 2:20:54 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat

You win the cupie doll. What are you talking about?


30 posted on 02/09/2011 2:23:50 PM PST by svcw (God doesn't show up in our time, but He shows up on time)
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To: svcw
Mormonism...

‘nuf said...

31 posted on 02/09/2011 2:34:25 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ejonesie22

I never brought up the subject in the first place. You did.


32 posted on 02/09/2011 4:55:27 PM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat; ejonesie22

So, E not only do I think that lds don’t read their own links, I am beginning to believe they don’t even read what they write. THX1138


33 posted on 02/09/2011 5:09:47 PM PST by svcw (God doesn't show up in our time, but He shows up on time)
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To: svcw

Pardon me for discussing anything with you, since you have such difficulty following the verses. I asked about “whatever” which is there. What is so difficult? What does “whatever” include since you said it does not include marriage?
Please quote the scripture which defines what “whatever” includes and excludes. It relates to the “keys of the kingdom” given to Peter. If you received the definition through direct revelation, and not through Biblical scholarship, please let us know. Please educate me. If somehow “context” educated you. Please let us know that too. I did not see where “whatever” was defined in the context. So, in my book, it undefined in context.


34 posted on 02/09/2011 5:28:47 PM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat
I’ll make it easy for you Jesus said there is NO marriage in Heaven. I included the context of the versus you did not reference. These versus are not about marriage.

The passages Matthew 16:14-20 are in reference to Peter's confession of Christ NOT marriage, the keys represent the opening of the doors to Heaven, NOT marriage.

35 posted on 02/09/2011 5:43:45 PM PST by svcw (God doesn't show up in our time, but He shows up on time)
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To: svcw

I explained it earlier. I do not agree with your context conclusion so we can get some rest. I never expected you to agree with me. Our differences have to do with revelations we have in hand. I believe them, you do not. That is life in the big city.


36 posted on 02/09/2011 6:25:48 PM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat; svcw
Um, no. I simply stated svcw was a better prophet than ole Joe. You are the one who brought up 14 million, me creating a church and all the other babble yada yada yada...

I know you guys have to do the obfuscation bit, its SOP and part of the training. But do you guys all ways have to be so Mormon?

37 posted on 02/09/2011 6:51:58 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: svcw

It is all ingrained in the brain for regurgitation. Part of the training.

Look at what they fall for...


38 posted on 02/09/2011 6:54:33 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: svcw

It is all ingrained in the brain for regurgitation. Part of the training.

Look at what they fall for...


39 posted on 02/09/2011 6:54:41 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ejonesie22

Look at it this way, I wake up to FR nearly everyday with somebody with a Mormon axe to grind. Once in awhile, I offer up a pretty standard position of the church. I get called a few names. Now, I don’t care what your position is on Christianity, I do not spend time worrying about it. So, I do not post anti-protestant or anti-catholic articles to humiliate one person or another. I have been on both sides of the fence(protestant and Mormon). I have worked with Catholics and Protestants on many things of mutual interest (Like Prop 8). I really like both groups. My family is split up Protestant, Catholic and Mormon. We get along and we don’t seem to have to call people names. Perhaps they believe we are going to hell, but they are courteous and nice. My kids have gone to Protestant and Catholic schools and I find them quite hospitable to LDS families. They seem to like us, unless they were all acting. I guess getting along with Mormons would be a bridge too far for you. I just don’t think you can ride Christianity as hatred for another group. There are widows and orphans to worry about as well people caught in natural disasters to feed and clothe. We work extensively with Catholic charities in getting aid where it is needed. We don’t worry if their doctrine matches ours. Charity is the pure love of Christ. We do what we can and fall short in this life of the perfection offered by the Master.


40 posted on 02/09/2011 7:24:17 PM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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