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Ohio bishops call for end of death penalty
Catholic Culture ^ | February 07, 2011

Posted on 02/07/2011 2:47:34 PM PST by Gamecock

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Exodus 21:12 “Whoever strikes a man so that he dies shall be put to death.

Romans 13:1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, 4 for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer.

1 posted on 02/07/2011 2:47:37 PM PST by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock

“Thou shall not Murder” .... and the Godly response to MURDER is to Kill the murderer....at least that’s what I THINK.


2 posted on 02/07/2011 2:51:23 PM PST by goodnesswins (I'm not a great man....I just believe in great ideas! Ronald Reagan)
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To: Gamecock

...except for child molestation?


3 posted on 02/07/2011 2:52:54 PM PST by MIchaelTArchangel (Obama makes me miss Jimmah Cahtah!)
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To: Gamecock

What about lifers who escape and murder? It happened in AZ some years back; more innocent people murdered because the murderer was allowed to live.


4 posted on 02/07/2011 2:53:11 PM PST by DLfromthedesert
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To: Gamecock
“Murder rightly evokes moral outrage and a call for justice...”

Why didn't they call for an end to murder?

5 posted on 02/07/2011 2:55:07 PM PST by stevem
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To: Gamecock
...the bishops of Ohio are calling for the abolition of the death penalty in their state.

Well, hopefully the citizens of Ohio will give the Bishops an answer ..... a resounding NO!

6 posted on 02/07/2011 2:55:52 PM PST by Col Freeper (FR is a smorgasbord of Conservative thoughts and ideas - dig in and enjoy it to its fullest!)
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To: Gamecock

In the 1700s, a death sentence was handed down WITH an altar call for the criminal to make peace with Christ, before they leave the earth.

Funny, I’m not even a BISHOP, and I know this.


7 posted on 02/07/2011 2:57:44 PM PST by ROTB (Sans Christian revival, we are government slaves, or nuked by China/Russia when we finally revolt.)
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To: DLfromthedesert

I had a discussion once with a person who believed the death penalty is wrong in all cases. I said she actually believed in the death penalty, she just applied it to the fellow inmates and guards who are killed by imprisoned lifers. I gave her concrete, factual examples, some heartbreaking. Her reply, after dispensing with the dysfunctional verbal diarrhea, was that these were acceptable collateral damage.

This is a sick mindset. When the rights of the worst criminals are championed, the rights of law abiding citizens are jeopardized—sometimes fatally.


8 posted on 02/07/2011 2:59:04 PM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: Gamecock
Romans 13:1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities.

In this Great Republic, "We, the People" are the governing authorities, and "We, the People" reserve certain rights against the government which is our creature. One of those rights is the freedom of speech, another is to petition the government for redress of grievances, yet another is to choose our representative as we see fit. "We, the People" includes these bishops.

Do you have some sort of problem with your fellow citizens of this Great Republic exercising their right of free speech? Do you have a problem with your fellow citizens carrying out their duties as the "governing authorities" in a republic? Is there some category of Citizens that you wish to silence? Do you wish to employ force to silence them?

10 posted on 02/07/2011 2:59:49 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: DLfromthedesert

There was also a Lifer who ordered a killing from behind bars. Happened in California recently, but can’t remember the criminal’s name.


11 posted on 02/07/2011 3:00:39 PM PST by ROTB (Sans Christian revival, we are government slaves, or nuked by China/Russia when we finally revolt.)
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To: Gamecock

Solution: Send all those sentenced to the death penalty to the homes of the bishops of Ohio. There, that wasn’t so bad, was it?


12 posted on 02/07/2011 3:01:33 PM PST by choctaw man (Good ole Andrew Jackson, or You're the Reason God Made Oklahoma...)
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To: Gamecock

People can’t forgive and get past murder without believing real justice has taken place.

That justice has both a temporal and eternal timeline to it. There are temporal and eternal consequences that need to be administered.


13 posted on 02/07/2011 3:02:00 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Col Freeper
ROFL!!!

"[T]he citizens of Ohio" is a category which includes these Bishops.

14 posted on 02/07/2011 3:02:40 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: fishtank
Those peckers

Brilliant! If we hurl enough obscenities at our opponents, surely everyone will see the righteousness of our cause!

15 posted on 02/07/2011 3:04:23 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Gamecock
Genesis 9:5-6 (New King James Version)

5 Surely for your lifeblood I will demand a reckoning; from the hand of every beast I will require it, and from the hand of man. 
  From the hand of every man’s brother I will require the life of man.

6 “ Whoever sheds man’s blood,
    By man his blood shall be shed;
    For in the image of God
    He made man.

16 posted on 02/07/2011 3:07:36 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Gamecock

As a former Ohioan, I wonder if those same Bishops have issued a position on Catholic politicians and the withholding of Communion for those that vote(d) for abortion.


17 posted on 02/07/2011 3:08:26 PM PST by Cyman
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To: Gamecock

If you take, thou shalt not kill and translate that into Hebrew, it doesn’t say kill, it says murder. So the 6th commandment should read: Thou shalt not murder. The death penalty is not murder, it is by the law of God a justifiable killing.


18 posted on 02/07/2011 3:11:26 PM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Do you have some sort of problem with your fellow citizens of this Great Republic exercising their right of free speech?

Does that Free Speech not apply to dissenting opinions?

Is there some category of Citizens that you wish to silence?

Do you wish to silence all those who disagree with Roman Catholics?

Do you wish to employ force to silence them?

Why are you poisoning the well?

19 posted on 02/07/2011 3:15:10 PM PST by Gamecock (The resurrection of Jesus Christ is both historically credible and existentially satisfying. T.K.)
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To: Cyman

That’s a good question. I suspect you are correct.

I’m sure I’m going to be flamed on this one but I do not support capital punishment. I don’t believe the state has the authority to execute anyone.

As for the examples you cited of a person escaping confinement, what about the cases where it is uncovered that the executed person was actually innocent?

Or where execution becomes a tool of political oppression as it has in many different regimes. Permitting the state to execute people prevents the state from correcting errors.

Of course you could argue that it was the fault of mercy that someone shown mercy later kills another, but Christ talks about when the shepherd’s missing one sheep, he looks over all the hills to find that one sheep.

Execution ends all chance of redemption.


20 posted on 02/07/2011 3:16:58 PM PST by BenKenobi (one of the worst mistakes anybody can make is to bet against Americans.")
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