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History or Propaganda? Joseph Smith as a Case Study
FAIR LDS ^ | Danel W. Bachman

Posted on 01/03/2011 7:38:19 PM PST by Grig

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To: Grig

I'm being serious here now...

America is SO FORTUNATE that Joespeh Smitt died an early death.

I deeply and sincerely believe that we would have had a vlolent religion, as bad as lslam on the American soil, if he had lived longer. Because he died 'early', m-ism is more moderate than it would have been.

Never forget that. . . . . . . . p.s. mis-spellings are intentional.

21 posted on 01/04/2011 7:59:43 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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I deeply and sincerely believe that we would have had a vlolent religion, as bad as lslam on the American soil, if he had lived longer. Because he died 'early', m-ism is more moderate than it would have been.

 
http://www.farwesthistory.com/docco.htm



Document
Containing the
Correspondence, Orders, &C.

In Relation to the Disturbances with the

Mormons;

and the

Evidence

Given before the Hon. Austin A. King, Judge of the Fifth Judicial Circuit of the State of Missouri, at the Court-house in Richmond,

in a Criminal Court of Inquiry, Begun November 12, 1838,

on the Trial of Joseph Smith, Jr., and Others, for High

Treason and Other Crimes Against the State.
Published By Order of the General Assembly.

Printed at the office of the Boon's Lick Democrat.

Fayette, Missouri:

1841.



EVIDENCE

  • Sampson Avard - - - -     97
  • Nehemiah Odle - - - -     108
  • Capt. Samuel Bogart - -     108
  • Wyatt Cravens - - - -     109
  • Maurice [Morris] Phelps - - - -     109
  • John Corrill - - - -     110
  • James C. Owens - - - -     113-120
  • Nathaniel Carr - - - -     114
  • John Cleminson - - - -     114
  • Reed Peck - - - -     116
  • William W. Phelps - - - -     120
  • Geo. M. Hinkle - - - -     125
  • William Splawn - - - -     129
  • Thomas M. Odle - - - -     130
  • John Raglin - - - -     131
  • Allen Rathbun - - - -     131
  • Jeremiah Myers - - - -     131
  • Andrew J. Job - - - -     132
  • Freeburn H. Gardner - - - -     133
  • Burr Riggs - - - -     134
  • Elisha Cameron - - - -     136
  • Charles Bleckley - - - -     136
  • James Cobb - - - -     136
  • Jesse Kelley - - - -     137
  • Addison Price - - - -     137
  • Samuel Kimbel - - - -     138
  • John Whitmer- - - - -     138
  • James B. Turnur - - - -           139
  • George W. Worthington - - - 140
  • Joseph H. McGee - - - -     141
  • John Lockhart - - - -     142
  • Porter Yale - - - -     142
  • Benjamin Slade - - - -     143
  • Ezra Williams - - - -     143
  • Addison F. Green - - - -     144
  • John Taylor - - - -     144
  • Timothy Lewis - - - -     145
  • Patrick Lynch - - - -     145
  • Malinda Porter- - - - -     146
  • Delta F. Pine - - - -     146
  • Nancy Rigdon - - - -     147
  • Johathan W. Barlow - - - -     147
  • Thorit Parsons - - - -     148
  • Ezra Chipman - - - -     148
  • Arza Judd, jr. - - - -     148
  • Asa Cook - - - -     149
  • O. H. Searcy to Gen. Clark - - - -     151
  • Danite Constitution - - - -     101
  • Rigdon's "Salt Sermon" - - - -     139
  • Document Reference
  • Robert Snodgrass - - - -    – Hunt – 217

  • George Walter ---- - - - -     Hunt – 217-219
  • Abner Scovel ----- - - - -     Hunt – 227-228
    From Joseph Smith's History Vault

    -SNIP-

  • Transcription of Avard testimony by Dale Broadhurst
    Sampson Avard, a witness, produced, sworn, and examined, in behalf of the state, deposeth and saith:-- That about four months since, a band called the Daughters of Zion, (since called the Danite band,) was formed of the members of the Mormon church, the original object of which was to drive from the county of Caldwell all those who dissented from the Mormon church; in which they succeeded admirably, and to the satisfaction of all concerned. I consider Joseph Smith, jr., as the prime mover and organizer of this band. The officers of the band, according to their grades, were brought before him, at a school house, together with Hiram Smith and Sidney Rigdon; the three composing the first presidency of the whole church. It was stated by Joseph Smith, jr., that it was necessary this band should be bound together by a covenant, that those who revealed the secrets of the society should be put to death. The covenant taken by all the Danite band was as follows, to wit: They declared, holding up their right hand, "In the name of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, I do solemnly obligate myself ever to conceal and never to reveal the secret purposes of this society, called the Daughters of Zion. Should I ever do the same, I hold my life as the forfeiture." The prophet Joseph Smith, jr., together with his two counsellors, (Hiram Smith and Sidney Rigdon,) were considered as the supreme head of the church; and the Danite band feel themselves as much bound to  obey them as to obey the Supreme God. Instruction was given by Joseph Smith, jr., that if any of them should get into difficulty, the rest should help him out; and that they should stand by each other, right or wrong. This instruction was given at a Danite meeting, in a public address. As for Joseph Smith, jr., and his two counsellors, the witness does not know they ever took the Danite oath.

    More at link, including the "Danite Constitution"


    22 posted on 01/04/2011 8:45:37 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (("A Leftist assumption: Making money doesn't entitle you to it, but wanting money does.")
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    To: greyfoxx39

    Yep.

    God blessed, graced and “mercied” America by removing JS.


    23 posted on 01/04/2011 9:07:35 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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    To: greyfoxx39

    I’ll try to read this later.....

    http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=173009

    Alternate History Discussion Board > Discussion > Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900

    Reload this Page WI: Joseph Smith isn’t killed at Carthage?


    24 posted on 01/04/2011 9:15:30 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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    To: Grig

    The most revealing thing about this post is that it’s author does exactly what he condemm’s the Tanners for doing - taking portions out of context.

    What is even more revealing is that in attempting to show the Tanner’s citations in a bad light, the expanded passage used does nothing to detract from the essence of the quote the tanners used.

    The morpologists at FAIR are masters of deception. Allen Wyatt of FAIR has registered over 300 website URLS hoping to confuse those searching for information on Mormonism to be funneled into FAIR owned sites. He has also registered dozens of miss-leading domains around the Utah Light House Ministery site (the Tanners) - and re-directing them to FAIR in attempts to thwart visitors from finding out information about the church.

    Then remember again, FAIR is not authorized to provide official commentary on the lds religion - just their personal opinion.


    25 posted on 01/04/2011 9:28:31 AM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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    To: Grig
     
    Out of CONTEXT alert!


    http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/17#17

      17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
      18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
      19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
      20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother,
    “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”
     
     
    And, continuing thru the years, the high ranking leaders of that Organization have said the same!
     
    Joseph Smith continues: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith-History 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
     
    Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
     
    Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
     
    Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
     
    Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses, 18:172).
     
    President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses, 10:127).
    James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
     
    President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
     
    More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
     
    President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
     
    President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p.196).
     

    26 posted on 01/04/2011 12:14:00 PM PST by Elsie
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    To: dixjea
     
    Yup!
     
    Ya just GOTTA love all that fruit!!
     



    2 Nephi 3:12 Wherefore, the fruit of thy loins write; and the fruit of thy loins of Judah shall write; and that which shall be written by the fruit of thy loins, and also that which shall be written by the fruit of thy loins of Judah, shall grow together,

    2 Nephi 3:18 And the Lord said unto me also: I will raise up unto the fruit of thy loins; and I will make for him a spokesman. And I, behold, I will give unto him that he shall write the writing of the fruit of thy loins, unto the fruit of thy loins; and the spokesman of thy loins shall declare it.

    Joseph Smith Translation Gen. 50: 27   Thus saith the Lord God of my fathers unto me, A choice seer will I raise up out of the fruit of thy loins, and he shall be esteemed highly among the fruit of thy loins; and unto him will I give commandment that he shall do a work for the fruit of thy loins, his brethren.

    Joseph Smith Translation Gen. 50: 31    Wherefore the fruit of thy loins shall write, and the fruit of thy loins of Judah shall write; and that which shall be written by the fruit of thy loins, and also that which shall be written by the fruit of thy loins of Judah, shall grow together

     

    Diaboli virtus in lumbis est.          Diaboli virtus in lumbis est.


    27 posted on 01/04/2011 12:16:13 PM PST by Elsie
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    To: Godzilla

    bttt


    28 posted on 01/04/2011 7:46:12 PM PST by Elsie
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