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To: BenKenobi; CynicalBear

OK Ben, now you’re resorting to the emotional(carnal) reasoning of man; in this case Mr. Aquinas.

Consider this:
God had the power to do this miracle (virgin conception) with any virgin he so chose. Mary did NOT have any power whatsoever to perform this miracle. God gives life by his chosen means, Mary simply accepted the decree.

Mary did not create the soul, nor even one cell of God. God is a Spirit (Christ’s own words). God was IN Christ. It’s that simple.

This ‘mother of God’ dogma is clearly man-made.


204 posted on 12/30/2010 10:08:37 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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To: Zuriel

I’m using Aquinas, as Aquinas explicitly gives 3 reasons why Mary was a Perpetual Virgin.

“God had the power to do this miracle (virgin conception) with any virgin he so chose.”

You are quite right. Which brings about the question, why Mary? What was so special about Mary that Christ would choose her. She was a descendent of the House of David. She was a Jew, of the Tribe of Benjamin.

“Mary did NOT have any power whatsoever to perform this miracle.”

She could have refused consent. God does not force us to participate. It is very significant that Mary willingly accepted to become Christ’s mother. You cannot simply ignore that her willing participation is crucial.

“God gives life by his chosen means, Mary simply accepted the decree.”

Simply, yes, humbly, yes, but this is very significant, for Mary took part in the Creation of Christ.

“Mary did not create the soul, nor even one cell of God. God is a Spirit (Christ’s own words). God was IN Christ. It’s that simple.”

And here’s where you get in trouble. The problem is not that you diminish Mary, but that your Christology is wrong.

Christ is fully God and fully Man. He is just as much a man and Mary is just as much his mother as any of us have our own mothers. The relationship between Mary and Christ is between Christ and his mother. She is the Mother of God. If what you said is true, then Christ is simply ‘putting on the appearance of man’, and isn’t truly Man.

This, btw is word for word what Nestorius taught. So many years ago. It’s not a new idea, and nor is it unusual. However, it denies that Christ is truly the Son of Man.


211 posted on 12/30/2010 11:22:44 PM PST by BenKenobi (Rush speaks! I hear, I obey)
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