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To: metmom; BenKenobi; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; Joya; ...
Mary is not the greatest human to have ever lived or else Jesus was lying here....

Matthew 11:11 Truly, I say to you, among those born of women there has arisen no one greater than John the Baptist. Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

Luke 7:28 I tell you, among those born of women none is greater than John. Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.”

They have the clear and unambiguous words of God in Scripture and yet they STILL believe a lie.

How long do you think it will be before Rome decides that Mary was not actually "born of a woman" herself, but instead supernaturally conceived by a virgin...?

Oh, wait, they already DO say Mary was supernaturally conceived without sin.

I suppose we should brace ourselves for Mary's mother to be declared a virgin her entire life...and her mother...and her mother...and...

917 posted on 12/19/2010 11:37:33 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

“They have the clear and unambiguous words of God in Scripture and yet they STILL believe a lie.”

You said so yourself. ‘Among those born of woman’. That is precisely what Christ says, and I have no intention of denying His statement.

“How long do you think it will be before Rome decides that Mary was not actually ‘born of a woman’ herself, but instead supernaturally conceived by a virgin...?”

What the immaculate conception teaches is that Mary was kept free from sin by the Power of Christ at her conception. Not her birth. Given the idiom, ‘born of woman’ to apply to a purely natural birth, I’d argue it doesn’t apply to Mary due to Christ’s intervention.

“I suppose we should brace ourselves for Mary’s mother to be declared a virgin her entire life...and her mother...and her mother...and...”

I am only surprised that it took so long to make the argument of turtles all the way down.

The problem is that you reject the first part of the teaching, that it is Christ who intervened at her conception. So there is no need for further intervention.


921 posted on 12/19/2010 11:49:19 AM PST by BenKenobi (Rush speaks! I hear, I obey)
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