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To: HossB86

We don’t pray TO Mary.

We ask Mary to pray for us.

That is the exact wording of the Rosary,

Holy Mary, Mother of God
Pray for us Sinners,
Now and at the hour of our death, Amen.


452 posted on 12/18/2010 1:29:55 PM PST by BenKenobi ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." -Tolkein)
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To: BenKenobi
We don’t pray TO Mary. ....We ask Mary to pray for us.

LOL!! You ask her THROUGH pray! Vain prayers at that.
457 posted on 12/18/2010 1:37:04 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: BenKenobi

Okay... But how do you “wing” that request to her? Are you “petitioning” her? Now—differentiate how you “ask” Mary to do something, and how you “ask” God Almighty for something. What is the difference in the vehicle? I “ask” things of God daily; how is “asking” Mary different than praying??

As I’ve read here, she’s the supposed “Queen of Heaven”, so how do you get her attention????

Hint: you PRAY. I don’t care how the Roman Catholic Church “defines” it. Prayer is prayer; and if it’s directed to anyone other than God (Father, Son, Holy Spirit), then you’re committing idolatry. And blasphemy because you’re ascribing abilities to a created creature that belongs to God ALONE.

Hoss


459 posted on 12/18/2010 1:53:53 PM PST by HossB86
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To: BenKenobi

Some Catholics claim that they don’t pray to Mary, but rather only ask her to pray for them. All this is like asking them to pray for you as you would ask a friend. But a person would have to pray to Mary if they are asking her something because she is not physically here. However we do not entrust the world to one or ask protection and guidance from someone who in turn is going to ask God!

A excerpt of the conclusion of the Rosary prayed by millions is:

“Hail, holy Queen [of heaven], Mother of Mercy! Our life, our sweetness, and our hope! To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve; to thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping, in this valley of tears.” To Mary they pray........ The most well-known portion of the Rosary and most recited Catholic prayer, repeated millions of times is Catholics praying TO MARY and asking in prayer for her to “pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death.”

If this is not praying to Mary then one is not praying to the Father either in the Rosary.

God says to ask Him— not Mary. Only God can answer ones prayer. So it becomes useless to pray to a saint, any saint no matter how great they may be.

Despite the rejections of saying they are praying to Mary or saints the Catholic Church does encourage praying to Mary as these excerpts from the Catechism of the Catholic Church prove:

...“Beginning with Mans unique cooperation with the working of the Holy- Spirit, the Churches developed their prayer to the holy Mother of God”.... (Catechism 2675) They do this claiming they are centering it “on the person of Christ manifested in his mysteries.”


471 posted on 12/18/2010 2:22:11 PM PST by caww
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To: BenKenobi
To: HossB86; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...
Quixicated:

To: presently no screen name; BenKenobi

narses provided the smoking gun, Ben. This is quoted from narses’ post:

Hear all our prayers, O Mother, [Blasphemously usurping God's role]
and grant them all. [Hideously blasphemous God-like powers]
We are all your children: [blasphemously usurping God-like parenthood]
Grant the prayers of [YOUR] children.”[blasphemously usurping God-like prayer-granting powers]

1. “hear all our prayers....” Sounds pretty straightforward to me.

2. “We are all your children: Grant the prayers of your children.”

We are HER children? HER CHILDREN? We are God’s children and His ALONE.

Now... You were saying something about not praying to Mary??
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Hoss
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You can be sure, there will ALWAYS [Until Jesus returns] be sufficient weasel words in the Vatican DAFFYNITIONARY, for RC's to rationalize the horrific idolatries, blasphemies and heresies in Mary's name.
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As a psychologist, the level of utter DENIAL involved is rivaled only, in my experience, by decades long addicted alcoholics. Evidently addictionis to idolatry, blasphemy etc. are every bit as demonized and tough to crack.

529 posted on Saturday, December 18, 2010 4:41:20 PM by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)

647 posted on 12/18/2010 7:53:55 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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