Skip to comments.Mary's Visit to Elizabeth in Luke 1, Ark Imagery and the Early Fathers
Posted on 12/14/2010 10:40:33 AM PST by Mighty_Quinn
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The Bible is clear that no man was “all holy” except Jesus. Also, this comes dagerously close to elevating Mary to someone who should be worshipped and prayed to...both a no-no in the Bible.
After reading Hoehners arguments on the death of Christ (Friday crucifixion, Nisan 14 or April 3, AD 33), I wrote to him and suggested that another argument that Jesus died on Nisan 14 and that he presented himself to the nation on Nisan 10 was that it fulfilled the typology of Exodus 12:16. To my surprise and delight, Hoehner wrote back! And he politely pointed out that my argument could only be brought in as tertiary evidence, for although Jesus did indeed fulfill the typology of the OT, as historians we must look at the evidence that is of a historical naturethat is, evidence that both Christians and non-Christians would embraceand we must also recognize that typological fulfillment often went in various directions, preventing us from cherry-picking in support of a view. For example, Jesus was not a year old when he died; he was not killed by fire but by crucifixion, etc. In other words, typology can be used in a confirmatory manner for historical study, but not as primary or secondary evidence. Its what one brings in when discussing the results of ones investigation. (Triablogue )
Fasten your seat belt, my FRiend.
Then Gods temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen within his temple; and there were flashes of lightning
Let me get this straight, the ark is seen in heaven in chapter 11 and the woman is pictured as being on earth in chapter 12. Yet the mere proximity of these two images allegedly connects Mary with the ark? Curious interpretative approach.
appear to be linked in the same context in other place:
Appearances apparently are deceiving. Lets play a game of We can make the Bible say anything we wish cuz we are the One True Church®.
Benedict XVI did not even omit to provide a sacrifice to this de facto goddess. It is reported that, "In a gesture of filial love, the Pope then offered the Madonna a golden rose." One is reminded immediately of the similar offerings presented by the Philistines to the Ark of the Covenant in the Old Testament, particularly given Catholicism's claim (or at least the claim of her apologists) that Mary is the "ark of the New Covenant." ( Mary Worship Still Alive in Catholicism)
This very homily has been cited to prove the antiquity of the festival of the Annunciation, observed, in the West, March 25. But even Pellicia objects that this is a spurious work. The feast of the Nativity was introduced into the East by Chrysostom after the records at Rome had been inspected, and the time of the taxing at Bethlehem had been found. See his Sermon (a.d. 386), beautifully translated by Dr. Jarvis in his Introduction, etc., p. 541. Compare Tertullian, vol. iii. p. 164, and Justin, vol. i. p. 174, this series. Now, as the selection of the 25th of March is clearly based on this, we may say no more of that day. Possibly some Sunday was associated with the Annunciation. The four Sundays preceding Christmas are all observed by the Nestorians in commemoration of the Annunciation.
Another difficulty in the works of the early Fathers is that many of them are held to be spurious and unauthentic, whilst the genuineness of others is disputed. I leave the discussion in all cases to the judgment of learned critics. My general rule has been to make my quotations from writings the authenticity of which is commonly acknowledged. Sometimes, however, I have cited works of doubtful genuineness, or which, at any rate, were not written as we now have them by the Fathers to whom they are attributed, but whose date, as assigned to them by critics, falls within the first six centuries, to which period I confine myself. When I quote from a doubtful or unauthentic work, or depart exceptionally from this general rule, I note the fact.
"These homilies are of doubtful genuineness."
James White Is anti-charismatic, anti-catholic and no miracles like apostles since biblical days. He is very narrow minded person. I would never trust his blog. Neither would most charismatics.
I'm not a charismatic nor Roman Catholic. There are no apostles so there can be no miracles like [the] apostles today. The infallibility of the pope, immaculate conception, etc are fraudulent beliefs.
As far as narrow minded, everyone draws a line somewhere. Everyone to the right of you is narrow minded, just as you are narrow minded to everyone on your left. What's your view of One Pentecostals?
Ark of the New Covenant bump!
Of course there can be miracles today. Where is your faith?
Of course. I was referring to those miracles which were for the authentication of the apostolic office. No apostles, no apostolic miracles.
The first apostles WERE the first Bishops!
And they have appointed bishops down the line. Of course there are apostles today!
Holy Orders has three steps —
I realize this may not be what you believe, but there is an unbroken line of succession to the apostles in only one place.....the Catholic Church.
Hi Top- I was referring to miracles by men through the Holy Spirit. Also one pentecostals are the non trinity types?
I understand the theory. It can't be proven one way or the other, but it really doesn't matter. Apostolic succession through a particular line of men as a mark of the Church is not an apostolic teaching, i.e., it's not taught in the Bible.
Even if it were historically provable that there was an unbroken succession of bishops from the first century to the present day Roman Catholic bishops (and it is not), Protestants would still demur to claims of Roman authority based upon apostolic succession. It is the apostolicity of the church that counts. And it is precisely by the standard of apostolicity that the Roman Catholic Church is measured and found wanting. (Apostolic Succession)
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