[HarleyD]

Thank you for repeating that message. I would submit premise #1 is flawed.

1. in God’s presence, sin cannot stay, it is destroyed.

The scriptures teach us the Lord Jesus walked among us, yet sin was not destroyed. In the Old Testament our Lord walked among us before the flood. Yet, once again, sin was not destroyed. And, as we find in Peter, Christ descended into hell. Surely if there is one place that sin exist it is in hell.

But the strongest evidence we have that premise 1 is flawed is simply that the Holy Spirit dwells inside every believer.

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Therefore, based upon your premise, either every believer would be made sinless like, as you claim, Mary or they would be destroyed. God, in the third person of the Trinity simply could not dwell in them while they have sin and we know we all have sin. This is, of course, unless one does not believe in the Holy Spirit as a person.

While I would agree with your 2nd premise, I find no scriptural support for your 3rd premise either.

3. To protect the bearer of God, she had to be made filled with grace and she had to be made free of sin — for her to be able to bear the Lord

As we can see by the scripture in premise 1, God has been in fact known to dwell among us even in our sinful nature. Clearly our Lord Jesus is an example of this, dwelling on earth with sin all around. He couldn't possibly have been tempted, now could he?

I would submit the whole reason of killing sin isn't the very presence of God. God appears numerous times to people without people dying. God's Holy Spirit indwelt David for David's anointed life-a period of which he plotted and murdered Uriah. Rather the method of killing sin was on Calvary's cross.

And while I appreciate Cronos' interpretation, there was no need for God to "protect the bearer of God" since God did and does in fact dwell among sinful creatures to reconcile us to Him. He did not need to "protect" a person from His wrath.

2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2Co 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Rather He became our sin who knew no sin.

[narses]

If God was magnified by the Soul of just one human being, and the Gospels tells us that was the case, how could a sin disordered soul magnify perfection?

How does Mary being sinless detract one jot or tittle from your conception of the faith? Contrariwise, why must you insist that the Mother of God was sinfilled to sustain your faith? Even the arch-heresiarch himself, Martin Luther, acknowledged Mary as sinless and a perpetual Virgin.