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I Love that Woman! My Unworthy Reflections on The Immaculate Conception
Fighting Irish Thomas ^ | 12-8-06 | Tom O'Toole

Posted on 12/08/2010 5:59:13 AM PST by mlizzy

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We had a nice-sized crowd at Mass this morning (6 a.m.). Always good to see!
1 posted on 12/08/2010 5:59:17 AM PST by mlizzy
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I couldn’t help but think, after all those old people pass away, that Church’ll be pretty empty.


2 posted on 12/08/2010 6:07:07 AM PST by Celtic Cross (I AM the Impeccable Hat. (AKA The Pope's Hat))
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There were lots of people at the vigil Mass at our parish last night.


3 posted on 12/08/2010 6:18:56 AM PST by rbosque (12 year Freeper!!! Combat Economist.)
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PhotobucketActually, Celtic Cross, not everyone there was old this morning. The usual a.m. Mass has a median age of probably 65-70, that's true, but this one was definitely lower. Ahhhh ... maybe 62-ish. :)
4 posted on 12/08/2010 6:23:24 AM PST by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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Very good; very positive! Always does my heart good to see the numbers ...


5 posted on 12/08/2010 6:24:50 AM PST by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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You probably should have put this is Caucus. :) Just saying. We had a fair amount at Mass this AM as well. It was a really nice Mass for so early.


6 posted on 12/08/2010 6:26:45 AM PST by defconw (Hey TSA! You can't touch this!)
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To: mlizzy; Salvation
I Love that Woman!

Happy Feast Day, the Solemnity of the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary

On December 8, we honor the Immaculate Conception of Mary our Mother.

Our first parents offended God by sinning seriously. Because of the fall of Adam and Eve, every baby is born into the world with original sin.

We are all children of our first parents so; we all inherit their sin. This sin in us is called original sin.

But the Blessed Virgin Mary was given a marvelous gift. She was conceived in the womb of her mother, St. Anne, without this original sin.

Our Lady was to be the mother of Jesus, God's only Son. The evil one, the devil, should have no power over Mary. There was never the slightest sin in our all-beautiful mother.

That is why one of the Church's favorite hymns to Mary is: "You are all-beautiful, O Mary, and there is no sin in you."

This great favor that God blessed Our Lady with is called her Immaculate Conception.

One hundred and fifty years ago, in 1854, Pope Pius IX proclaimed to the whole world that there was no doubt at all that Mary was conceived without sin.

Four years later, she appeared to Bernadette at Lourdes. When St. Bernadette asked the lovely lady who she was, Mary joined her hands and raised her eyes toward heaven. She said, "I am the Immaculate Conception."

7 posted on 12/08/2010 6:33:55 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (I'm with Jim DeMint ... on the fringe!)
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You probably should have put this is Caucus. :) Just saying. We had a fair amount at Mass this AM as well. It was a really nice Mass for so early.
Yes, probably I should have, but on the other hand, I grow weary of excluding others via the Catholic Caucus designation; the Church never closes its doors to outsiders. However, the words of St. Ambrose are good to follow, and I encourage all other Catholics to consider them:
To avoid dissensions we should be ever on our guard, more especially with those who drive us to argue with them, with those who vex and irritate us, and who say things likely to excite us to anger. When we find ourselves in company with quarrelsome, eccentric individuals, people who openly and unblushingly say the most shocking things, difficult to put up with, we should take refuge in silence, and the wisest plan is not to reply to people whose behavior is so preposterous. --St. Ambrose
[emphasis mine]
8 posted on 12/08/2010 6:45:53 AM PST by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Beautiful! I love it!


9 posted on 12/08/2010 6:46:35 AM PST by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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a doctrine revealed by God

Sounds like Joseph Smith’s legends.

10 posted on 12/08/2010 7:38:16 AM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- like crack for the eschatologically naive.")
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I am currently reading Leadership and Crisis, Bobby Jindal's new book, and wanted to leave this excerpt. I've never felt more strongly that he is the man to lead this country back to normalcy:
I prayed desperately, promising God that if He told me He existed and how to worship Him, I would consider myself blessed beyond belief and would not ask for anything else.

God used what was most important to me to get my attention back on Him. I was a normal teenage boy, so he used a teenage high school girl to get my attention.

During my junior year in high school, while attending a math tournament in New Orleans (stop snickering), I spotted Kathy. I had a crush on her, but had never mustered the nerve to say hello. This time I did, and we ended up going to a dance and having a great time ... Things were going great. Here was this pretty girl and she was interested in me! Then I asked her a simple question that changed everything.

"What do you want to do after school?"

Now, most of my friends in Baton Rouge wanted to be doctors, or football players, or teachers, or nurses; a few might have wanted to be rock stars. But she gave me an answer I had never heard. "I want to become a Supreme Court Justice," she said, "because I want to save innocent lives."

Where'd this come from? I thought to myself. And yet, I was struck by her answer. Saving the unborn gave her a purpose in life, something that was missing from mine.

Kathy was Catholic, and out of curiousity I attended Catholic Mass with her. I didn't want my parents [very strong in their Hindu tradition] to know, so I was probably the only teenager from Baton Rouge who told his parents he was going to a party so he could sneak off to church. --Bobby Jindal, Leadership and Crisis
Bobby Jindal describes himself as an "evangelical Catholic," having "tremendous admiration for the zeal of evangelical Protestants," but who "love[s] the teachings and doctrines of the Catholic Church."

I'm enjoying this book (easy-to-read, with wonderful splashes of humor, and surprising digs toward our current administration); if you like Jindal too, please pray for him and his family, asking the intercession of The Immaculate Conception on her most very beautiful feast day.
11 posted on 12/08/2010 7:47:39 AM PST by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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So true! St. Ambrose was wiser then I. :)


12 posted on 12/08/2010 8:43:08 AM PST by defconw (Hey TSA! You can't touch this!)
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I do like Bobby Jindal. We’ll have to see what the future holds. It would be nice to have a REAL Catholic President.


13 posted on 12/08/2010 8:46:01 AM PST by defconw (Hey TSA! You can't touch this!)
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So true! St. Ambrose was wiser then I. :)
Yes, me too! :)
14 posted on 12/08/2010 8:48:56 AM PST by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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This being the case, ever since the time when by one man sin thus entered into this world and death by sin, and so it passed through to all men, up to the end of this carnal generation and perishing world, the children of which beget and are begotten,there never has existed, nor ever will exist, a human being of whom, placed in this life of ours, it could be said that he had no sin at all, with the exception of the one Mediator, who reconciles us to our Maker through the forgiveness of sins. (Augustine)

For wholly alone of those born of woman was our Holy Lord Jesus, Who by the strangeness of His undefiled Birth has not suffered the pollutions of earthly corruption, but dispelled them by heavenly majesty. (Ambrose)

Quoted here


15 posted on 12/08/2010 8:51:38 AM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- like crack for the eschatologically naive.")
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The eternal Word, therefore, was given to us by the hand of Mary, and of the substance of Mary He put on nature without the blemish of original sin, and this He did, because that conception was not of man, but made by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. This indeed was not so in Mary, because she did not proceed from the mass of Adam by the operation of the Holy Spirit, but of man.And because that whole mass was corrupt, her soul could not be infused but into corrupt nature, nor could she be purified but by the grace of the Holy Spirit, of which grace indeed, a susceptible body is not the subject, but a rational or intellectual spirit, and therefore Mary could not be purified of that blemish, till after her soul was infused into her body, which in truth was so done out of reverence for the Divine treasure, which was destined to be placed in that vessel. For as a furnace consumes a drop of water in a moment of time, so does the Holy Spirit the blemish of original sin: for after her conception she was immediately made clean of that sin by the grace of the Holy Spirit, and was endowed with great grace. Thou knowest, O Lord, that this is the truth. (Catherine of Sienna)

Quoted here


16 posted on 12/08/2010 9:07:57 AM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- like crack for the eschatologically naive.")
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I do like Bobby Jindal. We’ll have to see what the future holds. It would be nice to have a REAL Catholic President.
Yes, me too. I'm all ready to start working on his campaign.:)

In another part of the book, Bobby explains how he was on a flight (small 6-seater, single-engine propeller plane that was borrowed) with a few campaign workers when he was running for governor (2007), and the plane ran into some significant trouble. One of the workers, Melissa, was very concerned, even planning out her funeral in her mind, so Bobby handed her [she was not a Catholic] a rosary from his pocket [I'd love to have a president who carries a rosary in his pocket!!]. She held on tight, and then went into the fetal position. They landed safely. And as Bobby tells it from there:
Our campaign team was comprised of me and a group of Protestants. There were a few other stray Catholics ... but not many. Before the crew back at headquarters learned of our ordeal, I fired off an email from my Blackberry that simply read, "Fyi, Melissa is now Catholic." This set off a lot of confusion back at HQ. --Bobby Jindal, Leadership and Crisis

17 posted on 12/08/2010 9:16:12 AM PST by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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Oh, I don’t know. Martin Luther talked to the Devil. Was Luther a Mormon?


18 posted on 12/08/2010 9:18:11 AM PST by vladimir998 (The anti-Catholic will now evade or lie. Watch.)
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"Now with the exception of the holy Virgin Mary in regard to whom, out of respect for the Lord, I do not propose to have a single question raised on the subject of sin -- after all, how do we know what greater degree of grace for a complete victory over sin was conferred on her who merited to conceive and bring forth Him who all admit was without sin -- to repeat then: with the exception of this Virgin, if we could bring together into one place all those holy men and women, while they lived here, and ask them whether they were without sin, what are we to suppose that they would have replied?" (St. Augustine, De natura et gratia PL 44:267, from Carol Mariology, volume 1, page 15)
19 posted on 12/08/2010 9:25:38 AM PST by vladimir998 (The anti-Catholic will now evade or lie. Watch.)
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Dealt with here:
To which I reply:

a) In this quotation, Augustine is refusing (at the time) to address the question of whether Mary had sin. He does not assert that she was sinless.
b) Augustine is saying that there is one (Jesus Christ) who certainly had no sin.
c) Augustine is addressing the issue of actual sin, not original sin.
Moreover, just a short time before writing "On Nature and Grace," Augustine wrote "On Merits and Forgiveness of Sins," in which he spoke more clearly:

Augustine (354-430):

This being the case, ever since the time when by one man sin thus entered into this world and death by sin, and so it passed through to all men, up to the end of this carnal generation and perishing world, the children of which beget and are begotten, there never has existed, nor ever will exist, a human being of whom, placed in this life of ours, it could be said that he had no sin at all, with the exception of the one Mediator, who reconciles us to our Maker through the forgiveness of sins.
NPNF1: Vol. V, On Merits and Forgiveness of Sins, and on the Baptism of Infants, Book II, Chapter 47.

Did Augustine Teach the Sinlessness of Mary?


20 posted on 12/08/2010 10:05:43 AM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- like crack for the eschatologically naive.")
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