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To: Cronos; LowOiL
well, actually it’s a strawman. Because The Church considers Mary a created being. If RnMom’s group considers “mom was a goddess and we know his Father is a Holy and Righteous God”, then she and her group are free to believe that, but it’s not correct to ascribe them to The Church

Why MUST Mary be free from all sin? What impact does her sin have on the birth or the life or the death of my Savior or the gospel ..? That is a question every Catholic must ask themselves .

910 posted on 12/07/2010 4:55:15 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: RnMomof7; LowOiL
That's a question to which I've replied ad nauseum on this thread, mostly in response to your fantastical posts.

let me repeat it once more for you
The teaching of the Church I am a humble member of - namely Christ's Church, the ONE Holy Apostolic and Catholic Church teaches us that Christ's sacrifice is what won us our Salvation. Church teaching is that His sacrifice is super-sufficient for our salvation.

All for God, all by God -- Mary did NOT save herself, she needed salvation and got that from her God, her Son, her Savior. Jesus saved Mary, He was her savior. He saved her, protected her from sin.

The Church knows and teaches that Mary being sinless or not had no impact on Christ's sinlessness -- don't you know that? -- Mary was pure just as the Ark was pure -- to enable her womb to contain God.

Christ's sacrifice is what won us our salvation, not Mary's sinlessness
I'll repeat what I asked you in post #482 why do you think your denying of Mary's sinless affect your salvation?. Why does your gruop's definition of beliefs hinge on negativity? No love in God, just attacking Christ's Church
914 posted on 12/07/2010 5:21:53 AM PST by Cronos (Et Verbum caro factum est et habitavit in nobis (And the word was made flesh, and dwelt amonst us))
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To: RnMomof7; LowOiL

And, of course, another strawman — “why must”? — How about “why did the Early Christians believe that she was free from sin? And yet 2000 years later, your cult think it knows better” Was it some gnostic knowledge that your group maintained? Or was it from golden plates?


915 posted on 12/07/2010 5:24:44 AM PST by Cronos (Et Verbum caro factum est et habitavit in nobis (And the word was made flesh, and dwelt amonst us))
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To: RnMomof7
Why MUST Mary be free from all sin?

They seem to think that Jesus couldn't be near anything remotely "unclean." Including the filthy stable where He was born.

;-)

983 posted on 12/07/2010 9:00:12 AM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: RnMomof7
Why MUST Mary be free from all sin?

People mistake being made righteous by GOD's favor for being sinless and they are not one and the same. Noah was found righteous. He wasn't without sin and he sure wasn't after the flood. The same with Abraham and Moses. Moses died because of his sin. Because of his sin he did not enter the promised land. Yet Moses and Abraham were GOD's chosen persons for fulfilling GOD's Divine purpose and will just as Mary was.

Only one person has walked this earth sinless before GOD. His name is Jesus Christ. He came as Lord and Savior for all including Mary and John The Baptist a man who was born filled with The Holy Spirit by Biblical accounts. Yet what did John The Baptist say of Christ? The most beloved Disciple of Christ died an earthly death. Where is Mary? She is with The Lord.

If Mary was free from all sin then this world needed not a Savior because it proved mankind could save itself from sin. But Mary is indeed now free from all sin through Christ. Christ left Mary here on earth with the Disciples. He actually left her with James who took her into his home saying "This is your mother". He said it to James not all the Disciples. I do not think Christ meant for Mary to be anyone but whom she was. Notice except for the Wedding miracle no special favor with Him or none is mentioned thereafter. Actually the opposite is shown when she and his Disciples and brothers {yes I think he had earthly half brothers from Mary and Joseph} came to see Him. Who is my mother sister and brother Christ asked? The answer was given.

I rely far more on what is written on the pages of The Holy Bible preserved by GOD HIMSELF for 3500 years than mans traditions and mans decreed church laws. Christ set us free from than bondage and some still want to re-institute it. That is the nature of man. It has been the nature of man throughout history. It was the nature of Israel when brought out of Egypt and what did it get them in return?

Christ gave us The Way, The Truth, and The Light. He made it so simple a child can grasp much of it. It doesn't take knowing years of studying and understanding Latin, Greek, Hebrew, and other ancient writings, passed down traditions of man. That system FAILED!!!

Reading the third Chapter of John and believing can bring you salvation through Jesus Christ the very instant you believe and accept it. Reading books upon books and studying years upon years of ancient tradition will bring you ancient traditions.

The miracle of salvation is GOD through the Holy Spirits Gives You Your Daily Bread just a GOD gave Israel Manna Whom did the Manna come from GOD or Moses? We need to be dependent on that and not relying on mans traditions. Come to Him as a child not a scholar and theologists. A child need not fully understand to believe a child believes by faith and trust. A child is taught by The Father. {and earthly mother}.

1,177 posted on 12/07/2010 1:49:12 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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