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To: dartuser; Jaded; Judith Anne; Legatus; maryz; NYer; Salvation; Pyro7480; Coleus; narses; annalex; ..
Paul, who you claim we non-Catholics worship,

I've never ONCE made this claim. As I said before, a reader's comprehension difficulties are not my problem.

Reading comprehension problems? ... depends on what your definition of “all” is ...

If Saint Paul had written, "all, EXCEPT CHRIST, have sinned," it would be different. But that's not what he wrote.

I’m going to go out on a limb here and make the crazy claim that “all” means ‘every one without exception’ ... which would include Mary.

The Church has always taught that all inherit Original Sin, including the Blessed Mother. But have ALL committed actual premeditated sin? No. If a baby is born, has a heartbeat but never draws a single breath and dies instantly, what actual sin has the baby committed? What of the baby who is conceived in sin and is never born? What sin has he committed?

I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel. (Genesis 3:15)

The Virgin Mary and Jesus share the SAME enmities here. What do you think they are?

And she cried out with a loud voice, and said: Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. (Luke 1:42)

The Virgin Mary and Jesus share the SAME blessing here. What do you think it is?

1,052 posted on 12/07/2010 10:57:29 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee; Dr. Eckleburg; metmom; Quix; UriÂ’el-2012; Gamecock
*However, I can see where this confusing for anti-Catholics, they nominally worship Paul as their god (though they are actually serving Satan). *

Reading comprehension, or back-tracking? Deny, deny, deny

1,054 posted on 12/07/2010 11:00:41 AM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: wagglebee

“”The Virgin Mary and Jesus share the SAME blessing here””

Very good,dear friend.Our Lord shared many things with His Mother

I love what Blessed Pope Leo XIII once wrote in His encyclical on the Rosary...

“Moreover, one must remember that the Blood of Christ shed for our sake and those members in which He offers to His Father the wounds He received, the price of our liberty, are no other than the flesh and blood of the virgin, since the flesh of Jesus is the flesh of Mary, and however much it was exalted in the glory of His resurrection, nevertheless the nature of His flesh derived from Mary remained and still remains the same (de Assumpt. B. V. M., c.v., among the Opera S. Aug).”Pope Leo XIII

Every Catholic needs to read this...
FIDENTEM PIUMQUE ANIMUM
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE LEO XIII
ON THE ROSARY
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_20091896_fidentem-piumque-animum_en.html


1,074 posted on 12/07/2010 11:31:22 AM PST by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: wagglebee
If Saint Paul had written, "all, EXCEPT CHRIST, have sinned," it would be different. But that's not what he wrote.

Ah ... Catholic inflexibility when it is needed ... since Paul only said "all" and not "all except Christ" that opens up the door to nullify the Word of God with your tradition by claiming Mary is also an exception to "all." Got it ...

I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel. (Genesis 3:15)

What is that? The New Catholic Translation? Quite a departure from NASB. I couldnt find any translation on biblegateway that supports your translation. Thats beside the point though ... What is your evidence that "she" is Mary ... at this point in history ... the only "she" was Eve.

1,086 posted on 12/07/2010 11:56:31 AM PST by dartuser ("The difference between genius and stupidity is genius has limits.")
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To: wagglebee
I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel. (Genesis 3:15)
The Virgin Mary and Jesus share the SAME enmities here. What do you think they are?

...First lets have a correct quotation here Wag...

KJV.Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

RSV

Gen 3:15 I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel."literal Translation

Gen 3:15 and enmity I put between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; he doth bruise thee -- the head, and thou dost bruise him -- the heel.'

Your misquotation of the scripture makes Mary the "actor" and not Jesus Christ..

The Virgin Mary and Jesus share the SAME enmities here. What do you think they are?

Wag, satan is the enemy of all that claim Christ.. Any enemy of Christ and His gospel is my enemy and the enemy of His bride

And she cried out with a loud voice, and said: Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. (Luke 1:42)

Blessed does not mean sinless .. blessed means blessed

1) to praise, celebrate with praises
2) to invoke blessings
3) to consecrate a thing with solemn prayers
a) to ask God's blessing on a thing
b) pray God to bless it to one's use
c) pronounce a consecratory blessing on
4) of God
a) to cause to prosper, to make happy, to bestow blessings on b) favoured of God, blessed

Luk 11:27 ¶ And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed [is] the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.

Luk 11:28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed [are] they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

Elizabeth was welcoming her cousin, bestowing a blessing on her and the child with in her womb ... She was not declaring mary sinless

The Virgin Mary and Jesus share the SAME blessing here. What do you think it is?

A blessing, a prayer from their cousin ...

1,153 posted on 12/07/2010 1:09:27 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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