Posted on 12/05/2010 6:14:57 PM PST by RnMomof7
Well done yet again.
thx.
INDEED.
VERY EXCELLENT ABOUT GOD’S SOVEREIGN POWER TO
DRAW
ALL THOSE WHO TRULY SEEK HIM—TO HIMSELF.
“Nowhere is there an example of people praying to the dead in the Bible. Zip. Nada. Nowhere!”
“Arise, Lazarus.”
-—WRONG! That was a Command, not a prayer.
Seriously. You’ll have to try harder than that.
You don’t know what a prayer is and you also don’t know your Bible. The word “pray” comes from the Latin word precari, which simply means to entreat or ask. A prayer is a form of communicating a request,, typically of a spiritual nature. Also, Jesus would never have commanded Lazurus, given their relationship. That would have been highly disrespectful.
Excellent! Lots of info, it’s marked for more reading. thank you!
Actually, only sinners (i.e., all mortals) have any need of grace. Someone without sin would have no need of grace.
“Where does he teach the importance of God’s word?”
In his wonderful book “Jesus of Nazareth”. I understand that the second in this series is due out soon.
“You don’t know what a prayer is and you also don’t know your Bible. The word “pray” comes from the Latin word precari, which simply means to entreat or ask. A prayer is a form of communicating a request,, typically of a spiritual nature. Also, Jesus would never have commanded Lazurus, given their relationship. That would have been highly disrespectful.”
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The word for how Jesus spoke to Lazarus is not “precari” - “pray”, it’s “eipon” - “having said”
John 11:43
When he had said these things, he cried out with a loud voice, “Lazarus, come out.”
http://biblos.com/john/11-43.htm
The word in the Greek is to command.
http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/2036.htm
answer, bid, bring word, command
A primary verb (used only in the definite past tense, the others being borrowed from ereo, rheo, and phemi); to speak or say (by word or writing) — answer, bid, bring word, call, command, grant, say (on), speak, tell. Compare lego.
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Jesus didn’t request Lazarus to come out. He didn’t pray to him to come out. He didn’t beg him, *Lazarus, would you please come out of that tomb.*
He commanded him in a loud voice - come forth.
Honestly, you need to work on your reading comprehension if you can’t tell the difference between a command and a request.
And that last bit about Jesus not telling Lazarus what to do because of it being disrespectful is pathetically laughable. They weren’t so namby-pamby gushy that people are today thinking that TELLING someone to do something is “disrespectful”.
That’s ludicrous. It reminds me of all these parents in the store begging their two year old to behave. *Johnny, that’s not nice. Please stop hitting your sister.*
Here’s a link to some grammar that explains what imperatives are.
http://www.englishlanguageguide.com/english/grammar/imperative.asp
You would consider that God’s Word? A book written by a Pope? I guess Catholics do see him higher than the Almighty.
“You don’t know what a prayer is and you also don’t know your Bible. The word “pray” comes from the Latin word precari, which simply means to entreat or ask. A prayer is a form of communicating a request,, typically of a spiritual nature. Also, Jesus would never have commanded Lazurus, given their relationship. That would have been highly disrespectful.”
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IOW, Jesus did not pray to dead people when He commanded Lazarus to come forth.
What a joke. Jesus, God Himself come in the flesh, PRAYING to a mere man????
There is no end to the absurdities that Catholics come up with trying to justify their unscriptural doctrines. You just can’t make this stuff up.
It was in Deut. 34:5, actually, where the Bible speaks about Moses dying and being buried by the hand of God. Just FYI, carry on. ;o)
You asked “where does he teach the importance of God’s word?”
He teaches it in this wonderful book, which is all about Jesus in the Sacred Scriptures.
There is no need for you antagonism about this.
you=your
Here's my question though: Moses and Elijah were both at the Transfiguration. But not Enoch. Elijah and Enoch will be the two witnesses in Revelation. Christ came not to destroy the law, but to fulfill it. So we know why Moses was there, as a witness. Elijah. And why Elijah and not Enoch. Both were prophets of the end times. Both will be the two witnesses of Rev. So it seems Elijah is the link between Christ's first coming, the fulfilling of the law, and the Transfiguration of Moses, Elijah, and Christ, and the link between himself and Enoch and the second advent.
I'm thinking there must be some very interesting Bible study here.
“I know that many people say Moses and Elijah, but I agree with the thought that it’s Enoch and Elijah.”
That certainly is something believers can disagree on. In contrast,
the imaginative deceiver Joseph Smith, who read the Greek rendering Elias in the KJV, reported that he and Rigdon received priesthood keys from three angelic messengers: Moses, Elijah and Elias (see DC 110:1-16) Besides being visited by more Biblical notables than even Swedenborg i think (God, the Father.
Jesus Christ, John the Baptist, Peter, James & John, Moses, and maybe Adam & Noah)
Which, like many other fantasies, is a result of a mortal men presuming to be assuredly infallible and the supreme doctrinal authority, versus the established Scriptures. Which were established as Divine due to their enduring qualities and accompanying supernatural Divine attestation.
Do you believe in the Trinity? Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
Quix, is your church the same as this?
THE ONENESS PENTECOSTAL MOVEMENT
Do you believe the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are three distinct persons? Or merely three manifestations of the one uni-personal God.
Above is taken from this link:
I spoke to the Trinitarian issue very early on in responding to you.
You are welcome to go suck rocks.
Larger than life, as usual:)
It is a worthy site, thank God, with more depth and responses than some others.
Just as he has prepared the different churches? :>} and I mean different as in by name and denomination from Gospel Preaching Protestant to Roman Catholic. Much like the jealousy of Jews and Gentiles for our sakes and the sake of The Gospel. The difference of opinion causes discussion. Discussion cause reading. Discussions others may not even hear or worse may never hear The Gospel except by a happenstance hearing or reading a discussion to get them thinking and seeking the one the Shepherd they are lost from.
Post 839 is a reply to you as well.
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